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Old 08-21-2020, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Western MN
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Political bitching. I get enough of this in the P&OC forum.

 
Old 08-21-2020, 05:29 PM
 
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huh?

Of course there will be a vaccine.

Of course masks work. It's been demonstrated by science- remember science?

We've had lockdowns because idiots don't wear masks or wear them inconsistently.
Masks DO NOT protect the wearer, ask the doc who changes his mind daily, Fauci, period. NOR DO THEY REDUCE IT AS THE SKIN OF OUR BODIES ABSORB IT. ALSO, MOST PPL I SEE DON'T EVEN WEAR IT CORRECTLY. SOME UNDER THEIR NOSE, THEIR CHIN, ETC. SO, YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT SOME THIN LAYER OF CLOTH IS THE REASON WE ARE SAVED FROM THIS "SCAM-DEMIC'.

The vaccine is a way to further 'control' ppl. Gates had a dad that was a eugenicist. Hence he now wants pop. control, hmm, wonder why? He wants to eliminate those from the weak fish pool.

The vaccine is a way to track ppl. The stats reveal many more deaths & infections too by inflating (conflating) them by 'contact tracing'. So if you are infected, contract tracing says the other 13 ppl you came in contact w/ also are statsitically infected. Therefore, it makes the numbers skewed, the data look higher but it is all smoke n mirros. Can't anyone see this??

Masks weren't warranted in ANY other flu & yet, this time, w/ an election of a prez the left despise, they make up a scenario that supposedly makes THIS flu season unlike any other. It is less than half of 1% yet it is publisized as a pandemic. But it is not, so thus the power grab by the left & globlits.

It is always a 'conspiracy theory' til the theory becomes proven fact. Then the libs say, 'oh well this was just an exception & not the rule'. BS on that & you libs KNOW this. Unreal, go to another country if you don't like the Founding Father's ideals set forth in the 1700s.

Furthermore, it is NOT a fluid document, The Constitution, but rather static. Period.

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Old 08-21-2020, 05:35 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Muzzles (masks) ridiculous.
Muzzles are for dogs. Not just dogs, but dangerous dogs. Thus we see what the leftist government officials and our fine leftist friends think of ALL of us.

It's simply another case of punish everyone for the sins of a few, only in a slightly different frame of reference in this case. You see, if the left were reasonable, they would concentrate on protecting those who are truly in danger from covid and testing for covid in the greater public sphere. But no, they are hellbent on punishing everyone. This is the first time in history (at least recorded history) that healthy people are treated as, essentially, lepers. It's demeaning, degrading, and infuriating. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, folks. Test me every time I'm in public (which is rarely anymore) if you like, but DON'T punish me and treat me like a leper unless I HAVE leprosy.

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Old 08-21-2020, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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John Adams: "A constitution of govt once changed from freedom can never be restored, liberty once lost is lost forever". There is an exception however & that is when things begin anew.

So hence, what this whole preparedness forum boils down to & is made for is this concept.

Please, think re this patriots & preppers & others interested in their longterm self-sufficiency & preparedness -- & of course ultimate survival.
Quoting John Adams, a staunch supporter of the Whiskey Rebellion, is well...laughable...in the context of supporting freedom and liberty.
 
Old 08-21-2020, 05:51 PM
 
Location: WMHT
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Red face Unless your whole body is mucus membrane, no "THE SKIN OF OUR BODIES does not ABSORB IT"

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NOR DO THEY REDUCE IT AS THE SKIN OF OUR BODIES ABSORB IT.
Citation Needed.
 
Old 08-21-2020, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Did you lose your liberty with seatbelt laws and speeding laws?

What about the freedom to drink while driving?
 
Old 08-21-2020, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by movintime View Post
Masks DO NOT protect the wearer, ask the doc who changes his mind daily, Fauci, period. NOR DO THEY REDUCE IT AS THE SKIN OF OUR BODIES ABSORB IT. ALSO, MOST PPL I SEE DON'T EVEN WEAR IT CORRECTLY. SOME UNDER THEIR NOSE, THEIR CHIN, ETC. SO, YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT SOME THIN LAYER OF CLOTH IS THE REASON WE ARE SAVED FROM THIS "SCAM-DEMIC'.

The vaccine is a way to further 'control' ppl. Gates had a dad that was a eugenicist. Hence he now wants pop. control, hmm, wonder why? He wants to eliminate those from the weak fish pool.

The vaccine is a way to track ppl. The stats reveal many more deaths & infections too by inflating (conflating) them by 'contact tracing'. So if you are infected, contract tracing says the other 13 ppl you came in contact w/ also are statsitically infected. Therefore, it makes the numbers skewed, the data look higher but it is all smoke n mirros. Can't anyone see this??

Masks weren't warranted in ANY other flu & yet, this time, w/ an election of a prez the left despise, they make up a scenario that supposedly makes THIS flu season unlike any other. It is less than half of 1% yet it is publisized as a pandemic. But it is not, so thus the power grab by the left & globlits.

It is always a 'conspiracy theory' til the theory becomes proven fact. Then the libs say, 'oh well this was just an exception & not the rule'. BS on that & you libs KNOW this. Unreal, go to another country if you don't like the Founding Father's ideals set forth in the 1700s.

Furthermore, it is NOT a fluid document, The Constitution, but rather static. Period.
Too many conspiracy theories in just one post.

I don't know where to begin.

Bill Gates cannot and will not track anyone with a vaccine. He has no interest in your personal life or whereabouts. He is a billionaire.

The "less than half of 1%" what are you referring to? Cases, hospitalizations or deaths from covid? If you are referring to cases, it's more than one percent.

Globlits - what is that? Like a goblin or a hobbit? Or is it a cross between a goblin and a hobbit? Because either way, there is no such thing. Hobbits and goblins are fictional creatures.

You might also want to spell check your posts before posting them. I could barely make out some of what you were saying.
 
Old 08-21-2020, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Did you lose your liberty with seatbelt laws and speeding laws?

What about the freedom to drink while driving?
Republicans know just the right amount of socialism required to keep society going. Don't question their consistency.
 
Old 08-21-2020, 06:11 PM
 
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Did you lose your liberty with seatbelt laws and speeding laws?

What about the freedom to drink while driving?
If you want to get technical, then yes, even those laws are money-makers for the states. They weren't nor aren't Constitutional by nature. The Constitution confers rights unto us by God not a political body/entity. Our laws come from the Supreme Creator not political groups.

Actually their is & was never a mandate allowing driver's licenses either. Again the Land of the Free includes those who drive w/out a license, again technically, as when did the Founder's mandate a need for 'permission' to move about freely in a Free country?
 
Old 08-21-2020, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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This is just completely nuts. I'm a gun-totin' registered Republican that actually leans more toward Libertarian/Tea Party...but I think there should be a federal mask mandate. Covid doesn't give a rip about politics. I wear a mask...anybody that doesn't best give me a wide berth.

Zero deaths here in ME? Wrong. Another one just bit the dust, and I don't want to be next.

This isn't about politics, it's about common sense. I'm not seeing much here. Too bad there's no vaccine that confers *that*.
The way I understand it, this is left up to the states. Masks don't work other than giving some a psychological lift feeling they are doing something when in reality they are not.

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/...-social-policy

https://www.climatedepot.com/2020/05...cience-vacuum/



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Can there be a federal mask mandate? It's unclear whether a blanket "federal mask mandate" would be constitutional.

Even Biden seems to feel that the allowable way to use federal power to mandate masking up would be to basically blackmail the states, threatening to withhold funding (as was done in the National Minimum Drinking Age Act and the National Maximum Speed Law -- both threatened partial withholding of highway funds from states which didn't pass the desired restrictive law).
I don't Biden feels anything, someone writes it down, and he reads it. I don't think anyone in their right mind should be following his lead.

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There won't be a vaccine for this. Is there a vaccine for the cold? The masks do absolutely nothing. If they worked, why would we have the lockdowns? I hate to be a conspiracist, but there is some reason why so many countries are going nuts over this virus that is not all that deadly. And if it were that deadly, why rule treatments off limits?
The reason they are going nuts is MSM. That is where they get spoon fed their information. There be a vaccine, probably as effective as the testing which runs about 30% or as effective as the flu vaccine which runs 40 to 60% effective. Add the side effects, probably worse than the virus.

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President Adams signed An act respecting quarantines and health laws ... (February 25, 1799). It required the federal government to assist states in the execution of their quarantine and health laws. He, nor Vice President Jefferson, saw enforcement of quarantine and health laws as an infringement on liberty.

This was a strengthening of An Act relative to Quarantine passed during the Washington Administration in 1796 which also required the federal government to assist states in the administration of their quarantine and health laws.

Its true there is no mention of masks, but apparently they had no issues with quarantines. We will never know how he would have felt about masks.
The emergency was over when the recovery started. Quarantine was meant for people that were sick, not people that might get sick. They used to nail an order of quarantine over the front door of a house. The mortality rate is .01% not 1%, 1/10th of a percent.

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Originally Posted by Hollytree View Post
huh?

Of course there will be a vaccine.

Of course masks work. It's been demonstrated by science- remember science?

We've had lockdowns because idiots don't wear masks or wear them inconsistently.
See above. Masks don't work. Cloth masks for sure may stop 3% of the virus while collecting viruses and bacteria on the outside that the person wearing them comes in contact with. "The cat is out of the bag." and while they got away with this crap in March, people are wiser now. They have lied and lied, and now after "crying wolf", when something really bad starts going around, people will blow it off.

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Originally Posted by PriscillaVanilla View Post
Did you lose your liberty with seatbelt laws and speeding laws?

What about the freedom to drink while driving?
Not the same. Seatbelts have been proven to save lives, and drunks kill people, innocent people, more than 10,000 a year in the USA. The insurance companies come into play with that one, and they have power. Face masks are a joke and many people are doing research now rather than being spoon fed by MSM.

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Originally Posted by PriscillaVanilla View Post
Too many conspiracy theories in just one post.

I don't know where to begin.

Bill Gates cannot and will not track anyone with a vaccine. He has no interest in your personal life or whereabouts. He is a billionaire.

The "less than half of 1%" what are you referring to? Cases, hospitalizations or deaths from covid? If you are referring to cases, it's more than one percent.

Globlits - what is that? Like a goblin or a hobbit? Or is it a cross between a goblin and a hobbit? Because either way, there is no such thing. Hobbits and goblins are fictional creatures.

You might also want to spell check your posts before posting them. I could barely make out some of what you were saying.
Plan 201, a "simulation" of an pandemic played out last fall, not a conspiracy, and makes you wonder: https://www.centerforhealthsecurity..../scenario.html

From the article:

"The disease starts in pig farms in Brazil, quietly and slowly at first, but then it starts to spread more rapidly in healthcare settings. When it starts to spread efficiently from person to person in the low-income, densely packed neighborhoods of some of the megacities in South America, the epidemic explodes. It is first exported by air travel to Portugal, the United States, and China and then to many other countries. Although at first some countries are able to control it, it continues to spread and be reintroduced, and eventually no country can maintain control."

Ah, seems kind of suspicious to me. Bill Gates and Fauci need to be charged with crimes against humanity.

Take the "Panic Out Of Pandemic""


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