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Old 08-22-2020, 11:17 AM
 
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Both parties have been taken over by extremist fringe groups the left BLM, antifa, AOC etc The right Qanon the alt right, Trumpisim.

Will we ever bring this country back from the brink of extremism? its really scary what's going on. We don't have moderates anymore its either you join my party ideology or you're a traitor and get primaried voted out.

We need a voice of reason candidate I think Biden is as close as we can get at this point. But even he will prob be controlled by the fringe sad.
The Center needs to fight off the following identities. The Center must take back America from the following factions. The democrats are split into three factions. The Antifa which is far left, than you have the intersectionals like BLM, LGBT, Gender and orientation and all sort of identities that came out of Academia in the past decade. Than you have the right which is made up of the alt-right which also includes people of color, maga supporters, MAGA fans, evangelical Christians, anti science The problem with the center left-moderate democrats is that they are pro big business just like the center-right moderate. I would love to see a center-left moderate or a center-right moderate who are not into big business and wants to repair the middle class.

What caused this division in America? For one it was caused by both big business Democrats and Republicans who supported big business which let jobs to be shipped overseas in the past 35 years. Than you also have big business both support by Dems and Republicans fail our urban areas, and than improve urban areas in which blacks, poor whites and Hispanics could not afford to benefit from. You put these banks in poor neighborhoods, yet many of the poor have low knowledge of economics on how to save and invest. The improving economics of urban areas also allowed many suburban educated types to move back to urban areas for work and play which did not happen 2 generations ago due to white and black flights. At the end of the day we end up seeing blacks talking about systemic racism, and whites who are angry that their jobs are going overseas or their job is being taken by a wage worker from an immigrant.

Than you have our moral institutions such as academia and the church which are causing division and rifts through the fabric of American society. Both academia and the church fetishizes people of color which I find to be cringy. Both Academia and the church are also anti-science. The worse did not come from thue church, but from academia. The ideas of intersectionality, gender race, non binary, LGBTQ and anything oppression-Olympics are truth to academia and these ideas have spread to all five white Anglo Saxon nations and are now spreading to other English speaking nations like an Ireland, or a South Africa, or a Jamaica or a Belize are just one of many examples.

Biden is a moderate which is great and he can unify with center-right who has rejected MAGA ideology, however if Biden obtains support from the woke left, he will scare away many independents such as myself and center-right Republicans. If Biden wins, America will go back to pre 2016 years which is good for many in center-left, center-right and for many independents who are scared of MAGA and the Woke Left.
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Old 08-22-2020, 11:18 AM
 
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Both parties have failed us. Both parties love illegal immigration. The democrats for the voters they bring in, and the republicans for the cheap corporate labor.

Who's left holding the bag and paying the bill? That's right - middle America - the very same people who put Trump into office.
This is very true. I had to rep you on this one.
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Old 08-22-2020, 11:20 AM
 
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Even if Trump wins, that's only 4 more years. who knows after that? I hate being terrorized every 4 years with this possibility of someone horrid taking over. I have been pretty much happy living my life in a country (USA) that is capitalistic, and believes in the Constitution (that it is not fluid).


I am not ready for the USA to be turned around and gone socialist, to have all the illegals take money and benefits when they have not paid into it, and take money from those who have, and for stupid laws to happen based on leftist policies. and also the safety being removed from the defund police group and the rioters.
If Trump wins, it will be 4 more years of dealing with MAGA and BLM. If we are going to defund the police, I think Feds must defund academia and make note that it wont pay for college courses via loans or grants that are about gender, critical race theory, women studies, black studies or anything based off of divisive language.
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Old 08-22-2020, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Both parties have been taken over by extremist fringe groups the left BLM, antifa, AOC etc The right Qanon the alt right, Trumpisim.

Will we ever bring this country back from the brink of extremism? its really scary what's going on. We don't have moderates anymore its either you join my party ideology or you're a traitor and get primaried voted out.

We need a voice of reason candidate I think Biden is as close as we can get at this point. But even he will prob be controlled by the fringe sad.
soon as this generation is out to pasture... the younger people play much better together
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Old 08-22-2020, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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If Trump wins, it will be 4 more years of dealing with MAGA and BLM. If we are going to defund the police, I think Feds must defund academia and make note that it wont pay for college courses via loans or grants that are about gender, critical race theory, women studies, black studies or anything based off of divisive language.
One of the positives that may come out of Corona is online college classes. I think they are here to stay. Think how much it costs to maintain an entire State run university? Brick and mortar is becoming obsolete. A good chunk of college tuition is tied to maintaining the campus. Much of that can go away. The net result is a college education should be trending downward in the near future.
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Old 08-22-2020, 11:47 AM
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soon as this generation is out to pasture... the younger people play much better together
Pretty distorted view of reality. They are the nasty internet generation. People just don't speak in front of the extremists who are loud and obnoxious. The insanity that happens in the workplace in places like Google and the New York Times is something unthinkable to older people.
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Old 08-22-2020, 11:59 AM
 
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Both parties have been taken over by extremist fringe groups the left BLM, antifa, AOC etc The right Qanon the alt right, Trumpisim.

Will we ever bring this country back from the brink of extremism? its really scary what's going on. We don't have moderates anymore its either you join my party ideology or you're a traitor and get primaried voted out.

We need a voice of reason candidate I think Biden is as close as we can get at this point. But even he will prob be controlled by the fringe sad.

No. This is what it has come to because the country was built upon and made its money through the dividing of people.
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Old 08-22-2020, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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No. This is what it has come to because the country was built upon and made its money through the dividing of people.

There are a lot of external influences that want America divided at the moment. If you remove the external influences, moderate politics would return. But this is not the case.


Believe it or not, division is not organic and not our normal default. Heavy manipulation is causing division as we speak. Most of our population simply doesn't see this or understand and they eagerly take the bait every day.
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Old 08-22-2020, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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There are a lot of external influences that want America divided at the moment. If you remove the external influences, moderate politics would return. But this is not the case.

Believe it or not, division is not organic and not our normal default. Heavy manipulation is causing division as we speak. Most of our population simply doesn't see this and they eagerly take the bait every day.

Here's the bad news...you are right!

It's the top 1% dividing all the rest of us (99%) so they can keep stealing us blind...like the $3.5T they just stole under the guise of Covid-19 stimulus.

Do the math, 99% got ~$1T, 1% got $3.5T. Add up all the $1,200 cks, & $600/wk unemployment cks, x the # of recipients = it's only $1T!


Here's the worse news...

Nobody cares. They are too far gone. They've been manipulated into not caring about gov't spending, or corruption.

-533 of 535 Congressmen stole $3.5T from us...nobody cares.

-~60% of Americans pay no net federal income taxes...nobody cares.

-Our cities have been destroyed...nobody cares.

-We are $27T in debt...nobody cares.

-We have the largest income & wealth gaps in history...nobody cares.

-Our manufacturing has been sent overseas...nobody cares.

-Pensions and Social Security are on the brink of collapse...nobody cares.

Welcome to reality. They won, we lost. Red vs. Blue is the ultimate deception. The 99% must be polarized, so there can be no moderation, cooperation, or compromises.
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Old 08-22-2020, 12:44 PM
 
Location: NYC
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You're kidding right? The democratic party is more or less the republican party from 40-50 years ago. The right is so far right now, they dont even understand what moderate means.
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