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No, I think it is too far, gives parents the wrong ideas, and discourages them from participating in their child's education.
My confusion is more on the idea of teachers "indoctrinating" the students. My questions is
What do you mean by indoctrinating? If I was to say that the Earth was 4.5 billion years old according to well established scientific theory would that be indoctrinating to someone who believes the Earth is 6,000 years old? If I say that the Earth is round would that be "indoctrinating" to someone who happened to believe the Earth is flat.
If a teacher were to say I am supporting Joe Biden because Trump is an idiot or I think people who support Bernie Sanders want government cheese. That would be clear indoctrination and that teacher should face significant consequences up to and including termination.
What are the parameters of a teacher indoctrinating their students versus teaching from scientific practice or following a set standard that is created by multiple shareholders from business to academia and beyond is my question?
Can you explain why you think a teacher’s political beliefs are something that should be known to the student ?
(and I ask that as an independent who is an an issue by issue person)
They’re telling white kids they are monsters and minority kids they are victims and everyone else owes them stuff. That is why they want to stop parents from watching. They do not believe parents have any role in educating their children.
Get a video capture card and record everything. There’s nothing they can do about that.
Yup. This is really exposing some truths.
I can't wait for the you tube videos that will be posted.
Can you explain why you think a teacher’s political beliefs are something that should be known to the student ?
(and I ask that as an independent who is an an issue by issue person)
Nowhere in the post did I say that a student needs to know a teacher's political beliefs. I was giving hypothetical examples of what may or may not be considered "indoctrination".
Teaching that the Earth is not flat or is 4.5 billion years is not indoctrination or a political belief, but some people may consider it to be such. Both of those are based on scientific theory which everyone should be required to learn and I am required to teach according to both state and federal guidelines.
Yes, but we don't spend our tax dollars to send adults to public schools, and if we did, they could decide for themselves if they wanted to accept the things you say.
At age 13, students are impressionable because they lack life experience and they are unlikely to fully scrutinize the material being presented to them.
They don't know how to ask probing questions, zero in on an argument's fundamental weakness or challenge an authority figure, even if their challenge relates directly to the lesson.
This is why the left has such an intense interest in gaining access to our children and why they want the parents out of the room during these engagements.
My beef on this thread is not that we shouldn't be doing x or y it is people who are spreading damaging rumors about my colleagues and myself about how we are spreading liberal proproganda just because one district in Tennessee overstepped their bounds. How would you all like it if every time a white conservative male did something racist that all white conservative people were immediately labeled racist? That would be totally unfair and unjust.
My student's don't know my political beliefs and I don't sway them either way or the other. When I touch on climate change, which I am required by state and the federal goverment to go over before I even touch it I get my class together and say something like the following:
" Students I will talk about Climate Change (or about the age of the Earth). I understand that there are different believes about this topic and I respect everyone's believes on this topic. I am required to teach and you are required to learn the scientific view of this topic. You are allowed to believe in your views on the topic and I will respect those. "
Even teaching in a very conservative county if you respect the culture (whether you always agree or not doesn't matter) and you do what is right by those kids and the community there won't be major issues.
Can you explain why you think a teacher’s political beliefs are something that should be known to the student ?
(and I ask that as an independent who is an an issue by issue person)
A teacher's political beliefs should never be shared with the students, either directly or through guiding them in one direction or the other. I am a teacher (who leans right if that makes any difference) and if my students ask me questions about politics, I tell them to do their own research, understand the strengths and weaknesses of both political models in this country, research history to see how these models have fallen short, and come up with their own conclusion. I tell them not to let anyone think for them.
Teaching is showing them how to think, not what to think.
My beef on this thread is not that we shouldn't be doing x or y it is people who are spreading damaging rumors about my colleagues and myself about how we are spreading liberal proproganda just because one district in Tennessee overstepped their bounds. How would you all like it if every time a white conservative male did something racist that all white conservative people were immediately labeled racist? That would be totally unfair and unjust.
My student's don't know my political beliefs and I don't sway them either way or the other. When I touch on climate change, which I am required by state and the federal goverment to go over before I even touch it I get my class together and say something like the following:
" Students I will talk about Climate Change (or about the age of the Earth). I understand that there are different believes about this topic and I respect everyone's believes on this topic. I am required to teach and you are required to learn the scientific view of this topic. You are allowed to believe in your views on the topic and I will respect those. "
Even teaching in a very conservative county if you respect the culture (whether you always agree or not doesn't matter) and you do what is right by those kids and the community there won't be major issues.
Uh, where have you been the last decade?
All conservatives have been labeled racists for years. Every cop is racist and every police precinct should be punished for what a cop did in some other state.
Nowhere in the post did I say that a student needs to know a teacher's political beliefs. I was giving hypothetical examples of what may or may not be considered "indoctrination".
Teaching that the Earth is not flat or is 4.5 billion years is not indoctrination or a political belief, but some people may consider it to be such. Both of those are based on scientific theory which everyone should be required to learn and I am required to teach according to both state and federal guidelines.
What are you instructed to teach about "sustainability"?
A Tennessee school district asked parents to sign a waiver promising not to "eavesdrop" on kids online lessons. Wow. What are they trying to hide, you may wonder?
You have to wonder?
They want the kids to do the work on their own. Let them make their mistakes in 'class' and learn. They want as far as possible a natural learning experience. We learn by our mistakes and sometimes intuitively on our own.
Parents have a natural tendency cheer on their children, and even whisper the answers. Parents also can be an unhelpful additional stress on the kids, who don't want to 'disappoint' their parents who expect their children to be the star of the class. The frowns and big eyes and mutterings are not helpful.
Anyone who has seen parents of Little League should know this.
This isn't that hard to figure out, give that 'conspiracy theory' mindset a rest for a change.
If police should be required to wear live video cameras, teachers should have all of their activities recorded and made public as well.
Good point!
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