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Old 08-23-2020, 11:26 PM
 
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I guess Meadows never heard of Bin Laden, huh?

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MARK MEADOWS: “Well, when you look at John Kerry talking about foreign policy and how he made Iran supposedly a safe nation, not a single American believes that. This is the only president who actually went after a terrorist and took him out. How do we know that? We saw it in real time, where this president took on a threat. And Iran is the state sponsor, the preeminent state sponsor of terror, and yet John Kerry is supposedly going to applaud the efforts of the Obama administration? It’s been this president who’s acted not just domestically but on foreign policy.”
BTW, he was talking about Qasem Soleimani...who wasn’t even a terrorist, and the Trump Administration hasn’t produced the promised evidence that he WAS an actual terrorist.

Mark Meadows...clown car navigator. SMH...and worse, this is on Fox and Friends where Steve Doocy didn’t even know that the United States had shot down an Iranian airliner. Plus they didn’t even correct Meadows.

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/...d-took-him-out
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Old 08-23-2020, 11:34 PM
 
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I guess Meadows never heard of Bin Laden, huh?
Obama pulled the trigger, but he was reluctant.
Biden was against it.
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Old 08-24-2020, 12:59 AM
 
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Obama pulled the trigger, but he was reluctant.
Biden was against it.
You’re supposed to be reluctant when you’re putting other people’s lives in danger, and not your own. Intrepidity is easy when your ass isn’t being personally risked physically.

If Biden was against it, GOOD! I applaud him. After being FOR Iraq, he should’ve been giving any military mission the side eye.

Being gung ho for action with other’s lives isn’t a virtue, dude. It’s a character defect.
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Old 08-24-2020, 01:07 AM
 
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Yea, Obama was hesitant due to what it all involved, and with good reason. Sneak into Pakistan territory, land at a compound and hope your intel was good with not only was OBL there, but expected level of protection was there also.

It went well, almost perfect, but could have turned into a disaster very easily. Imagine if Pakistan detected the helicopters and proceeded to shoot them down, or the level of force protecting OBL was three times more than expected, or while on the ground, 1000 Pakistan troops all of a sudden arrive and start shooting, etc, etc.

Then the unknown fallout from Pakistan, who by the way is the critical supply corridor to resupply troops in Afghanistan, imagine the mess if they cease to allow US forces to transit and move material through their country, we would effectively have to completely withdraw from Afghanistan if that happened.
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Old 08-24-2020, 01:15 AM
 
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Yea, Obama was hesitant due to what it all involved, and with good reason. Sneak into Pakistan territory, land at a compound and hope your intel was good with not only was OBL there, but expected level of protection was there also.

It went well, almost perfect, but could have turned into a disaster very easily. Imagine if Pakistan detected the helicopters and proceeded to shoot them down, or the level of force protecting OBL was three times more than expected, or while on the ground, 1000 Pakistan troops all of a sudden arrive and start shooting, etc, etc.

Then the unknown fallout from Pakistan, who by the way is the critical supply corridor to resupply troops in Afghanistan, imagine the mess if they cease to allow US forces to transit and move material through their country, we would effectively have to completely withdraw from Afghanistan if that happened.
Any commander who isn’t hesitant to send good men to their possible deaths is a fool.

And yes, the Bin Laden assassination had the potential to go horribly awry.
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Old 08-24-2020, 01:31 AM
 
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Obama pulled the trigger, but he was reluctant.
Biden was against it.
To be fair, Obama inherited intelligence from the Bush era enhanced interrogation program.

It was this intelligence that made locating Bin Laden possible.

Obama ended the enhanced interrogation program and closed the secret CIA prisons where the interrogations took place.

Moreover, he suggested that Bush was a war criminal for allowing the sorts of interrogations that produced the information that led to the location of Bin Laden.

Obama then took credit for doing something his policies would have prevented.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...505-story.html
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Old 08-24-2020, 01:50 AM
 
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Look up the 1980 Iran hostage rescue mission to see why any President might be hesitant to send a clandestine military mission into hostile territory.
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Old 08-24-2020, 01:51 AM
 
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To be fair, Obama inherited intelligence from the Bush era enhanced interrogation program.

It was this intelligence that made locating Bin Laden possible.

Obama ended the enhanced interrogation program and closed the secret CIA prisons where the interrogations took place.

Moreover, he suggested that Bush was a war criminal for allowing the sorts of interrogations that produced the information that led to the location of Bin Laden.

Obama then took credit for doing something his policies would have prevented.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...505-story.html
Torture didn’t elicit that info on Bin Laden. That’s a lie. You’re making it up.

Bin Laden was living in the biggest damn compound in Abbottabad. Turns out that everyone in the area suspected that either Bin Laden or someone on his level was living there. Moreover, the Pakistani government SURELY knew he was there. The information on his whereabouts and the layout of the compound could’ve come from a hundred different sources

Get outta here. Lol
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Old 08-24-2020, 01:55 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I guess Meadows never heard of Bin Laden, huh?



BTW, he was talking about Qasem Soleimani...who wasn’t even a terrorist, and the Trump Administration hasn’t produced the promised evidence that he WAS an actual terrorist.

Mark Meadows...clown car navigator. SMH...and worse, this is on Fox and Friends where Steve Doocy didn’t even know that the United States had shot down an Iranian airliner. Plus they didn’t even correct Meadows.

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/...d-took-him-out
hahahaha

Iranian Quds Force General Qasem Soleimani not a terrorist? Because killing Americans doesn't count. I guess he had nothing to do with going after the embassy in Iraq either. Probably a coincidence he was killed in an Iraqui airfield.
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Old 08-24-2020, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Torture didn’t elicit that info on Bin Laden. That’s a lie. You’re making it up.

Bin Laden was living in the biggest damn compound in Abbottabad. Turns out that everyone in the area suspected that either Bin Laden or someone on his level was living there. Moreover, the Pakistani government SURELY knew he was there. The information on his whereabouts and the layout of the compound could’ve come from a hundred different sources

Get outta here. Lol
Abbottabad is equivalent to Annapolis/West Point - because that's the home of the Pakistan Military Academy. There's a whole lot of brass, both active duty and retired, who live in that area. Better believe Pakistani higher ups were pretty aware of OBL being in the area, and just winking at it.
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