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You do know what takes place during an abortion don’t you? Either endometrial aspiration, suction, or curettage appears quite violent to those being suctioned or dismembered. Subjective indeed. Support it if you wish. Your support doesn’t diminish the violence in the least. What do you consider more violent than forcibly ending a life?
I think if people actually saw what an abortion was, they wouldn't know what to do with themselves. Literally. They have no idea.
Again:
If something is legal that makes it OK?
If it were not legal, you would immediately be AGAINST abortion?
That's the argument of: Abortion is legal. It means, abortion is OK because it is legal. So if it's illegal, then you would immediately think abortion is wrong.
Why are you avoiding the question surrounding this argument?
It's really simple, yes or no. Your complete unwillingness to answer a direct question is very telling.
Continuing the circle jerk of if it was illegal, it would be wrong is nonsensical. abortion is a fact legal or not it is here to stay. The law doesn’t control or deter a person. Your moral compass does that. Your value doesn’t agree with the law. Not so for others. Abortion is law. It ensures a woman’s right to privacy, like a man with her own health choices.
You do know what takes place during an abortion don’t you? Either endometrial aspiration, suction, or curettage appears quite violent to those being suctioned or dismembered. Subjective indeed. Support it if you wish. Your support doesn’t diminish the violence in the least. What do you consider more violent than forcibly ending a life?
"In Wednesday's CDC study, the agency reported that 59% of people who received an abortion in 2016 already had at least one child. Additionally, the CDC reported just under two-thirds of abortions in 2016 occurred at or before eight weeks into a pregnancy, and 91% of all abortions happened at or before 13 weeks into a pregnancy. Nearly 28% of the 2016 abortions involved use of medication, rather than surgery."
(Underscored is original emphasis - bold is my emphasis)
So the vast majority of abortions are performed @ or before 13 weeks of pregnancy.
Continuing the circle jerk of if it was illegal, it would be wrong is nonsensical. abortion is a fact legal or not it is here to stay. The law doesn’t control or deter a person. Your moral compass does that. Your value doesn’t agree with the law. Not so for others. Abortion is law. It ensures a woman’s right to privacy, like a man with her own health choices.
Still not answering the question.
The question is not: Abolish abortion.
The question is: Why do you think abortion is OK just because it's legal?
If rape were legal, would you be OK with it? Suddenly think it was a good thing to do? Lots of rapists in jail that think rape is totally acceptable. Think that their morality would be good and acceptable if rape were legal?
Still not answering the question.
The question is not: Abolish abortion.
The question is: Why do you think abortion is OK just because it's legal?
If rape were legal, would you be OK with it? Suddenly think it was a good thing to do? Lots of rapists in jail that think rape is totally acceptable. Think that their morality would be good and acceptable if rape were legal?
Still AVOIDING the question.
You assume legality is the only reason to support abortion it isn’t. I support for lots of reasons as do others
I believe that goal was established by others prior to Sanger.
She believed women should be able to control their own reproduction. I dont recall her ever forcing anyone to take BC or have an abortion or sterilize them.
"During the early 1900s eugenics became a serious scientific study pursued by both biologists and social scientists." By 1930 it had gained support in the US.
In 1922 Harry Hamilton Laughlin, director of the Eugenics Research Office, proposed a federal mandatory sterilization law. As the country’s “eugenics expert,” Harry Laughlin provided tabulations showing that certain immigrants, particularly those from Italy, Greece, and Eastern Europe, were significantly overrepresented in American prisons and institutions for the “feebleminded.” Further data were construed to suggest that these groups were contributing too many genetically and socially inferior people. Laughlin’s classification of these individuals included the feebleminded, the insane, the criminalistic, the epileptic, the inebriate, the diseased—including those with tuberculosis, leprosy, and syphilis—the blind, the deaf, the deformed, the dependent, chronic recipients of charity, paupers, and “ne’er-do-wells.” Racial overtones also pervaded much of the British and American eugenics literature.
in 1927 The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 8-1 in Buck v. Bell that laws mandating the sterilization of the mentally handicapped did not violate the Constitution. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes made an explicitly eugenic argument in writing for the majority:
"It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind."
in 1970 The Nixon administration dramatically increased Medicaid-funded sterilization of low-income Americans, primarily those of color. While these sterilizations were voluntary as a matter of policy, anecdotal evidence later suggested that they were often involuntary as a matter of practice. Patients were frequently misinformed or left uninformed regarding the nature of the procedures that they'd agreed to undergo.
LOL. Sanger was a racist intent on limiting blacks by using abortion. that's not debatable. some notion that the idea of eugenics predating Sanger is irrelevant.
she was a baby killer and a racist and Planned Parenthood executes her vision to perfection. even if they abandon her name.
LOL. Sanger was a racist intent on limiting blacks by using abortion. that's not debatable. some notion that the idea of eugenics predating Sanger is irrelevant.
she was a baby killer and a racist and Planned Parenthood executes her vision to perfection. even if they abandon her name.
Most dangerous place for a black baby is in his/her mother's womb. Most likely to be killed there.
You do know what takes place during an abortion don’t you? Either endometrial aspiration, suction, or curettage appears quite violent to those being suctioned or dismembered. Subjective indeed. Support it if you wish. Your support doesn’t diminish the violence in the least. What do you consider more violent than forcibly ending a life?
The majority of abortions are done in early pregnancy with medications (no suctioning or dismemberment) and before there is any fetal capability of awareness.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
Again:
If something is legal that makes it OK?
If it were not legal, you would immediately be AGAINST abortion?
That's the argument of: Abortion is legal. It means, abortion is OK because it is legal. So if it's illegal, then you would immediately think abortion is wrong.
Why are you avoiding the question surrounding this argument?
It's really simple, yes or no. Your complete unwillingness to answer a direct question is very telling.
You are conflating a moral position with legality. If it is a moral position, either against abortion or OK with it, whether it is legal or not does not matter - unless you are the one seeking the abortion.
If you are morally against abortion, by all means do not have one.
Just butt out of the decision making for those who are not morally against it. For them it is legal. You have no input.
Planned Parenthood and BLM can never be used in the same sentence...ever ever ever.
Some would argue that PP is great because Buffy the wealthy girl from the suburbs can erase her "little mistake" or go get an STD test. So PP gets a free pass. Fair enough.
But once people pull out the microscope and find out the true reasons why PP exists, most would be shocked. It is population control at it's finest and good percentage of the the babies that they are eliminating don't live in Buffy's neighborhood if you know what I'm talking about.
There is no PP clinic in Buffy's neighborhood. The same goes for liquor stores and pawn shops. It all feeds the stereotype that blacks get drunk have kids out of wedlock and sell stolen goods for cash to feed their drug habit.
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