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To survive a gun fight is to survive a gun fight. A criminal who manages to survives a gun fight several nights out of the week while taking out his attackers has been part of American folklore for a long time. IMO That's what got us here. The glorification of killing a man. In America it doesn't matter if he is a good guy or bad guy it is romanticized . That's what the civilized world is confounded by. Our desire to kill and seek glory.
No, not all gun fights are the same, the context matters. If the kid simply walked up to the group of terrorists and started shooting them, it would still make the world a better place, but it would no longer be a legally or morally defensible action.
The fact that he actively sought to not have to kill the terrorists who were attempting to kill him made it a heroic act. He showed a remarkable level of restraint and discipline, there are many cops, soldiers, and marines that would have struggled to show the same levels of discipline and restraint when dealing with a large group of terrorists like that.
He defended himself. Should he have been in that situation. No. But it is clear he was defending himself after being attacked. He was not the aggressor.
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There were 455 complaints about the Kenosha kid shooter's facebook page. So given his page was probably all friends and family -- that's some scary stuff right?
Pretty ignorant to start off your remarks about Rittenhouse carrying a gun across state lines. He did not. Twenty miles is "across town". That part of Lake Michigan, north of Chicago is one suburban stretch. It is far different than you seem to understand.
Didn't read the rest of your comment after that totally erroneous start.
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Their is alot of things wrong with Antifa/BLM and Kyle. First off why did his parents take him to Wisconsin? Why is this 17 year old marching around with a gun in another state. The gun is bigger than him for Christ-sakes. His home is 20 miles away from Kenosha in Antioch Illinois. He carried a gun cross state lines and held a possesion of a gun as a minor in Wisconsin which is illigal, infraction or against the law. Why does this make shift, ragtag militia have a 17 year old amongst its ranks?
Now Antifia and BLM. Why did you chase this 17 year old? This kid is a minor. And yes minors have a right to self defense just as much as adults do. Most likely you did not know he was a minor, but why attack him? You attacking this kid first allowed Joseph Rosenbaum to get shot in the chest 4 times and 1 shot in the head. And yes BLM and ANTIFIA had to protect their allies even the the ally was the initiator of events to come and the antagonist. BLM and ANTIFIA chased the minor with a black guy kicking Rittenhouse in the head,( I can say the black guy is lucky not to have gotten shot). Why? This nation would be rioting right now again. Than you have Huber with a skateboard who hits Rittenhouse in the head. Getting hit with the skateboard hurts. Huber takes one shot to the chest and dies instantly, and the other guy gets shot in his elbow blowing it off.
Here is my take on this. For endangering a welfare of a minor, the black guy who kicked him should be identified and arrested for assault as well as other who assaulted him. Kyle must remain in jail. He must be trailed for transporting guns cross state lines and for possession of a weapon as a minor in Wisconsin.
And to those who do anti racism as an ideology. Is violence, shutting people down, taunting people to even causing physical harm are all necessary to end racism?
As for me. Kyle is no American hero, an neither is Huber, Rosenbaum and the Anti-Racist protesters. We must try to find a way to get to the center to resolve our nations big moral issuese of the day.
This case is going to be messy. We must all must be objective and stop jumping on ideological bandwagons like Blue Lives Matter, MAGA, BLM or Social Justice. These things are empty and meaningless at the end of the day.
also, when is it ok for anybody to make "citizen arrest" by smashing the alleged perpetrator with a skateboard over his head or jump-kick him in the face?
does that mean I can start making "citizen arrests" against rioters for committing crimes like looting, and I will use force if necessary?
Once again. There is a cameraman for Daily Caller who witnessed, and described the attack of the first decedent on Rittenhouse. In the attack which the cameraman describes, he says the attacker was almost successful in taking the gun away from Rittenhouse. The cameraman was involved in getting the head shot decedent across the street from where the shooting occurred to a hospital.
Please stop with the lie. Unless, that is your goal.
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The guy with the skateboard was trying to apprehend Kyle because he had already committed one murder. Gonna be hard for him to plead self defense.
also, when is it ok for anybody to make "citizen arrest" by smashing the alleged perpetrator with a skateboard over his head or jump-kick him in the face?
does that mean I can start making "citizen arrests" against rioters for committing crimes like looting, and I will use force if necessary?
Seriously, there's so much evidence available proving this was a case of self defense, we need state bars to start going after DA's for this kind of political based prosecutorial misconduct.
The only law he violated was being underage for open carry in WI. A misdemeanor, if not just a citation like running a red light. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to protect himself from violent savages trying to hurt or even kill him.
Perfect example of why it's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
Nope. Try again.
1. He was 17. It was illegal for him to posses that rifle. In his home state you have to be 21, in wisconsin you have to be 18.
This was crime 1.
2. Crossing the state line with an illegally possessed weapon is a pretty big deal and a big fat number 2 on the crime list.
3. Wisconsin totally allows for the use of deadly force in self defense, but the caveat is that you cant be committing a crime while that use of force happens. Which we addressed above he was actively committing a crime by possessing that rifle.
4. Wisconsin has a Castle Doctrine. But you can only use deadly force if the perpetrators are in your dwelling or your place of business. For a place of business you have to own this, or be in charge of operations of the business. You can not just post up to protect a random business, also you can not chase people if they decide to retreat like This 17yo did. Wisconsin V. Charles L Chew is the case law. If you want to have a look.
5. Its not self defense when you get in your car with a rifle, drive 15mi to another town, and walk the streets with a rifle.
He had every option to stay home but he chose to get involved in this situation with the plan to be involved in confrontation(hence the rifle) also in Wisconsin self defense law you cant be the instigator and then claim self defense.
He became the instigator the second he pursued.
I get it. The kid thought he was gonna be a hero and help out. But, reality is he made a large number of bad mistakes because he's 17 and has his face buried what essentially amounts to propaganda everyday and he can't tell the difference.
Now 2 people are dead and hes headed to jail.
This is what all those "shoot the protestors" comments create.
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You are commenting from ignorance. Young Mr Rittenhouse has the best legal team imaginable.
I'm sure he does. He apparently needs it, else a local team would be sufficient.
BTW, my comment is that he needs a good legal defense. Then you agree with me. Your comment is being perhaps aggressive?
Seriously, there's so much evidence available proving this was a case of self defense, we need state bars to start going after DA's for this kind of political based prosecutorial misconduct.
oh, no worry.
L Lin Wood, the big name lawyer who is famous for defamation lawsuits, is going to represent Mr Kyle.
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