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The solution is to take money away from them - so they can be not only overworked, but underpaid as well. You would work well in the Minneapolis City Council.
You are sounding more and more like one of the Marxists.
I gotta ask...what is it you do not understand about the phrase "defund the police" ?
Defund means taking appropriate funds now going to the police department to support police actions for the support of social programs, such as calls for homeless assistance, mental health assistance, etc. and giving those funds to organizations better equipped to handle those situations....such as the "Cahoots" program in Eugene Oregon....which has been in place for 30 years.
"What is CAHOOTS?
CAHOOTS (Crisis Assistance Helping Out On The Streets) is a mobile crisis intervention program staffed by White Bird Clinic personnel using City of Eugene vehicles. This relationship has been in place for nearly 30 years and is well embedded in the community. CAHOOTS provides support for EPD personnel by taking on many of the social service type calls for service to include crisis counseling. CAHOOTS personnel often provide initial contact and transport for people who are intoxicated, mentally ill, or disoriented, as well as transport for necessary non-emergency medical care. CAHOOTS is dispatched on EPD’s service channel and calls are triaged through the Central Lane Communication Center. Each van is staffed with a medic (nurse or EMT) and an experienced crisis worker.
How does the City support CAHOOTS?
The City funds CAHOOTS through the Eugene Police Department. In FY18 (July 2017- June 2018) the contract budget for the CAHOOTS program was approximately $798,000 which funded 31 hours of service per day (this includes overlapping coverage), seven days a week. One van was on duty 24 hours a day and another provided overlap coverage 7 hours per day.
Over the last several years, the City has increased funding to add more hours of service. The FY20 (July 2019 – June 2020) budget included an additional $281,000 on a one-time basis to add 11 additional hours of coverage to the existing CAHOOTS contract. CAHOOTS was able to add 5 of the 11 hours of service to bridge an afternoon gap to maintain two-van coverage. The City carried over the funding for the 5-hour expansion through FY21 (July 2020 – June 2021)." link
The solution is to take money away from them - so they can be not only overworked, but underpaid as well. You would work well in the Minneapolis City Council.
You are sounding more and more like one of the Marxists.
I gotta ask...what is it you do not understand about the phrase "defund the police" ?
Defund means taking appropriate funds now going to the police department to support police actions for the support of social programs, such as calls for homeless assistance, mental health assistance, etc. and giving those funds to organizations better equipped to handle those situations....such as the "Cahoots" program in Eugene Oregon....which has been in place for 30 years.
"What is CAHOOTS?
CAHOOTS (Crisis Assistance Helping Out On The Streets) is a mobile crisis intervention program staffed by White Bird Clinic personnel using City of Eugene vehicles. This relationship has been in place for nearly 30 years and is well embedded in the community. CAHOOTS provides support for EPD personnel by taking on many of the social service type calls for service to include crisis counseling. CAHOOTS personnel often provide initial contact and transport for people who are intoxicated, mentally ill, or disoriented, as well as transport for necessary non-emergency medical care. CAHOOTS is dispatched on EPD’s service channel and calls are triaged through the Central Lane Communication Center. Each van is staffed with a medic (nurse or EMT) and an experienced crisis worker.
How does the City support CAHOOTS?
The City funds CAHOOTS through the Eugene Police Department. In FY18 (July 2017- June 2018) the contract budget for the CAHOOTS program was approximately $798,000 which funded 31 hours of service per day (this includes overlapping coverage), seven days a week. One van was on duty 24 hours a day and another provided overlap coverage 7 hours per day.
Over the last several years, the City has increased funding to add more hours of service. The FY20 (July 2019 – June 2020) budget included an additional $281,000 on a one-time basis to add 11 additional hours of coverage to the existing CAHOOTS contract. CAHOOTS was able to add 5 of the 11 hours of service to bridge an afternoon gap to maintain two-van coverage. The City carried over the funding for the 5-hour expansion through FY21 (July 2020 – June 2021)." link
It’s simple. We all have a line in the sand. You cross the line, you suffer the consequences. 99% of the time the police get it right. Why focus on the 1% where the police over act? That doesn’t make any sense to me.
But back to the issue at hand. Don’t want to risk having the police act out on you? Don’t cross the line. Mic drop. Next topic?
If you need fewer police because you're putting that money into communities and preventing a lot of these issues in the first place, then why would you fund police more?
That is absolutely not how economics works, my boy.
What's ridiculous about wanting police to be held to a higher standard and not kill people?
Wanting police not to kneel on a guy's neck for nine minutes is "revolution"?
It was the drugs, that killed george....in more ways then one.
What is so hard with complying with officers? Also, where are the voices of the victims. We hear liberals defending the criminals but what about the victims. For example, why did Blake have a knife? Was he or did he threaten his ex girlfriend? The officer who shot might have very well saved her life in the future. The OP is correct, this is the crap officers put up with and their life can be taken in the blink of an eye. It is much harder to take someone down than many posters assume. Videos above are good examples.
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This is what police have to go through... unexpected violent responses from knuckleheads who choose not to follow orders.
The reason their response is violent is because they are put in harms way. Most of them are not looking for trouble.
Bad officers should be held accountable for bad behavior... but so should perpetrators who react violently towards the police. Bad officers and bad perpetrators should be held accountable regardless of race.
And just HOW was the officer who kneeled on the neck of a handcuffed man for 9 minutes in harm's way? They react with violence counting on there being at least one idiot on the jury who will think they were.
Any rational person knows that in any field, including police, there will be some 'bad apples.' But, the blanket, 20/20 indictment and cries for defunding all police - because a few people caught a small, one-sided part of an already-in-progress event, on their cell phones ... is a clear distortion of facts! The subsequently biased media's efforts to incite as much rioting and violence as they can (while protesting their own 'unbiased' status as "news" reporters) is reprehensible. That's why the media's credibility/approval rating is in the single-digit area.
How many actual police interactions are there and how many of these require some use of force? According to Wickipedia: "Of the 40 million people in the United States who had face to face contact with the police 1.4%, or 574,000, reported use of force or the threat of use of force being directed at them." A deeper looks shows: "a total 558 civilians were shot, of which 111 were Black (out of 40 million interactions!), (as of July 29, 2020).
The 'useful idiots' who use a few 'bad apple incidents' to universally demonize ALL police ...and 'excuse' their own rampant thug response (rioting, looting, burning, hurling bricks) ... detracts from serious efforts to root-out the 'bad apples.' Over-the-top screams that these few instances constitute 'systematic racism' in America - further emphasize their irrationality and detracts from serious efforts to address root-out residual racism in America. There's no reasoning with those who allow the mob or media to do their thinking for them, but, rational, critical-thinking Americans aren't buying it.
The police will never be viewed as 'perfect' in every isolated incident. But, if America doesn't stand behind the 99+-percent of the police who are honorable and do a very difficult job every day, we will be steeped in the anarchy that now consumes so many Democratic-run cities. Why would anyone want to serve as police in today's environment?
Any rational person knows that in any field, including police, there will be some 'bad apples.'
Agreed. What rational people are asking for is an effort within the police to excise the bad apples. Because that's sorely lacking.
The guy who killed George FLoyd might have been your bad apple. How many stood around and did nothing?
You guys are completely missing the point of the bad-apple simile. It wasn't made to point out that, y'know, the majority of the apples are kinda good. It's made to illustrate that it only takes a few bad apples to corrupt the bunch.
I have yet to hear someone say cops should take no action, whatsoever. The issue is when cops cross lines and don't get punished. The common theme seems to be "just comply with a cop, no matter what if you don't want to get shot". Blind compliance with an authority in all circumstances out of fear of death is a major problem. Excessive violence and shootings by cops is a fairly uniquely American problem in the civilized world. The problem isn't police reacting with violence when necessary. The problem is twofold. Police reacting with violence when it's not needed, and police not being held accountable for mistakes.
In all honesty, that video points of a lack of training by cops. Paying cops more, and requiring more training before joining the police force would go a long way.
I’ve heard them say it. There were several “civic groups” saying that the police should de-escalate things by letting the criminals go instead of trying to arrest them at the scene. The idea was that they could avoid any violence and pick them up later. That is stupid on so many levels.
Letting someone go is ridiculous. If they think they’re going to resist at the scene, why wouldn’t they resist later? It’s just pro-criminal people wanting the criminals to roam free.
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