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Old 09-01-2020, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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We don't have the 'test every person' mode. We never did. Trump blocked it at every turn.

This country has only been testing people with symptoms, and for many the results have taken so long they become meaningless, and people go about catching and spreading without a clue. If we had done a serious testing regimen early we could have protected a lot of people and been more precise about what needed to lock down and what needed to open up. South Korea did exactly that, as did Taiwan. They were huge success stories and we are the failures.
What are you talking about? Anyone can roll up to a testing site and get tested, some have to every week or more due to their job.
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Old 09-01-2020, 11:39 AM
 
Location: 2*** Chelmsford Ct, Cary NC
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
We don't have the 'test every person' mode. We never did. Trump blocked it at every turn.

This country has only been testing people with symptoms, and for many the results have taken so long they become meaningless, and people go about catching and spreading without a clue. If we had done a serious testing regimen early we could have protected a lot of people and been more precise about what needed to lock down and what needed to open up. South Korea did exactly that, as did Taiwan. They were huge success stories and we are the failures.

We could have done contact tracing like other countries, and better isolate spreaders, minimizing the impact on our economy and on many honest hardworking people.

We did none of that.

The shameful results are here with us for all to see. A disgracefully outsized death toll, far more than our share of the population. It is so bad here Americans are not welcome in other countries because we are seen as irresponsible, and quite frankly we have been.
Anyone who wants a test can get a test. There are drive up facilities everywhere. No one is or can stop anyone from getting a test. Fewer people are deciding on their own to be tested. Either they have received all the tests they wanted or they have finally just realized it is stupid unless they have symptoms.
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Old 09-01-2020, 01:18 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
We don't have the 'test every person' mode. We never did. Trump blocked it at every turn.

This country has only been testing people with symptoms, and for many the results have taken so long they become meaningless, and people go about catching and spreading without a clue. If we had done a serious testing regimen early we could have protected a lot of people and been more precise about what needed to lock down and what needed to open up. South Korea did exactly that, as did Taiwan. They were huge success stories and we are the failures.

We could have done contact tracing like other countries, and better isolate spreaders, minimizing the impact on our economy and on many honest hardworking people.

We did none of that.

The shameful results are here with us for all to see. A disgracefully outsized death toll, far more than our share of the population. It is so bad here Americans are not welcome in other countries because we are seen as irresponsible, and quite frankly we have been.
This is not true. They require people to get tested in order to have medical procedures whether they have symptoms or not.

Also, if they only tested people with symptoms then we wouldn't know that someone was asymptomatic.
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Old 09-02-2020, 10:50 AM
 
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We cannot do contact tracing here like other countries, because people don't want it done like that. Contact tracing worked in some Asian places - as the fines for not participating are life-changing. No one wants that here.



Meantime - we do not have a "disgracefully outsized death toll" - but we are not welcome because our path to the end is so slow. Not because it is so great. But because it is so slow. Huge difference.


You cannot have it both ways - our actions so far ("flatten the curve") were intended to slow things down - but not ultimately alter the outcome significantly, barring a vaccine. We could have easily been done already and just had all these same dead people 4 months ago. In no case was the total count easily reduced. Just the calendar date, in an effort to keep health care systems underwhelmed.


You have to be realistic, people. Hardly any western nation fared well in this. We're no exception.
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Old 09-02-2020, 12:26 PM
 
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Another article about this. Wow, just wow.


And please, no whining that this is from a conservative source. Just because it is doesn't mean it's not true.




https://www.conservativereview.com/n...amounts-virus/
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Old 09-02-2020, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Another article about this. Wow, just wow.

And please, no whining that this is from a conservative source. Just because it is doesn't mean it's not true.

https://www.conservativereview.com/n...amounts-virus/
Who is saying it is not true?

How could this have been known four months ago?
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Old 09-02-2020, 01:34 PM
 
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The number may actually be much higher, and it doesn't matter where people live or why. Every life is sacred, death by COVID is a horrible death.
People being sequestered away, FROM the possibility of catching COVID (of which the vast majority recover) are dying due to the isolation: drug abuse, suicide, and, increasingly in senior facilities, "a failure to thrive."
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Old 09-02-2020, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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People being sequestered away, FROM the possibility of catching COVID (of which the vast majority recover) are dying due to the isolation: drug abuse, suicide, and, increasingly in senior facilities, "a failure to thrive."
Therefore, the solution is to let them die from COVID-19 instead of providing help to the drug abusers, the suicide prone, and nursing home residents? Would they not be just as dead?
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Old 09-02-2020, 02:12 PM
 
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Therefore, the solution is to let them die from COVID-19 instead of providing help to the drug abusers, the suicide prone, and nursing home residents? Would they not be just as dead?
As far as nursing home residents, who represent a large number of deaths, I imagine it would be better to die among family rather than dying alone or with some stranger holding your hand.
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Old 09-02-2020, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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As far as nursing home residents, who represent a large number of deaths, I imagine it would be better to die among family rather than dying alone or with some stranger holding your hand.
COVID-19 is not an easy way to die.

I see no reason for nursing homes to not be able to provide a safe way for family to visit dying residents. Perhaps there should be some financial assistance from the government to help them with the logistics.

Most of the residents who are isolated in nursing homes are not going to die. It is a nursing home, not hospice.
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