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Old 09-02-2020, 09:53 AM
 
Location: NY
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
No, they are one of many who promote it, and you are one of many who vehemently oppose it.

Me, I support that part, and oppose the rioting part.
I am one of many who oppose equality for all? That is an unfair accusation. Not true...not even close.
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Old 09-02-2020, 09:54 AM
 
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I am not pushing for anything. Its obvious most people would agree with their basic premise "all men were created equal", which is written in the Declaration of Independence as well as with "social justice". It's un-american to oppose such things. As for rioting, violence, vandalism, pretty much everyone opposes that.

The goal of the propaganda, which you seem to be peddling, is to argue that if you support their goal of equality, then you must also support violence.

As for the polls, your first poll supports what I said, but the next one is clearly asking a very different question. Why pretend they are comparable?

When you ask questions like this, the same person might give different answers:

- Do you support their goals?

- Do you have a negative view of them given the rioting they have engaged in?

- Do you support their goals, but not their methods?
i have listened intently to those seeking this thing you call "social justice"


it isn't about equality. It is about retribution. It is about pointing to political opponents and saying "ENEMY" and demanding punishment for some perceived wrong.


Don't equate the "Social Justice" mantra with equality. it isn't about equality.


and NO. Pretty much everyone doesn't oppose rioting, violence, vandalism. If that were the case, after the first one, the perpetrators would have gone to jail, been charged and prosecuted. Instead, exclusively democrat elected district attys have let the criminals go. democrat mayors have ordered police to stand down. democrat national leaders have turned a blind eye.


and democrats on City-Data have excused the behavior.


Democrats are rioting and killing people. And democrats are promising more if the rest of us don't bend our knees. This is the democrat Amerika
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Old 09-02-2020, 09:55 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Biden isn't in charge. He can't call on the National Guard, military or call them off.

Trump is in charge. Maybe if he had met with the Portlant Governor and Mayor and asked them what they thought the federal govt. could do...but he didn't. He dictated the military move in without consultation.
That's not trying to work with it. And when he did - -the tension was escalated.....they didn't help at all.

The visit to Kenowsha wasn't about working with local politicians to resolve tensions. It was about a photo op to appear concerned and working towards a solution.

You can't resolve a dispute/tension by sitting down with supporters. You have to sit at the table and LISTEN to the other side.

Trump is happy to suggest the tension is all because of Democrats and can't be fixed unless he wins in November.

Which makes no sense at all.

And for the record, if Biden can bring peace - howevere-- then it seems like a 'duh' moment to vote him in -- lol.
Actually, the state governor calls in the National Guard. Each state has its own National Guard. For example, Oregon's National Guard.

https://nationalguard.com/select-your-state/OR

So, in the Democrat states in which these riots, burning, looting, and assaults are ongoing, causing more destruction, death, and terrorizing residents, why aren't Democrat governors calling in their National Guard for help? WHY???????
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Old 09-02-2020, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Actually, the state governor calls in the National Guard. Each state has its own National Guard. For example, Oregon's National Guard.

https://nationalguard.com/select-your-state/OR

So, in the Democrat states in which these riots, burning, looting, and assaults are ongoing, causing more destruction, death, and terrorizing residents, why aren't Democrat governors calling in their National Guard for help? WHY???????
Attempt #101 to get this to sink in.

Good luck, InformedConsent.
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Old 09-02-2020, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Embarrassing, WA
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There is a tendency for people to perceive that which seems to validate their perceptions.

Who is benefitting from the civil unrest? It’s not Democrat’s mayors.

Contrary to Trump’s lies, the mayor of Kenosha asked the Wisconsin governor to send in the state National Guard and he did. There are 1000 guardsmen in this city of 100,000.

I am as politically agnostic as they come. I don’t view events through political lens. I see criminals, not voters, engaging in civil unrest, arson, property damage and looting.

On 8/10 what may be the single largest looting event occurred in Chicago. This was a targeted event in multiple commercial districts that was promoted on social media. Back story: Black people called the police about a black guy waving and pointing a gun on the street in a black neighborhood. Police arrived. Guy in street engaged in gunfire with police. Guy was shot. The lies on social media claimed the police shot an unarmed black child in the face and called for action.

Eight hours later, caravans descended on multiple commercial districts and the property damage and looting began. Some were prepared with bowling balls and hammers. It has been estimated about 3000 people eventually engaged in looting. It is obvious LE underestimated the turnout. Despite calling in 400 extra officers, the overnight shift was vastly outnumbered. Hundreds were arrested. And then it was over by sun rise.

The cofounder of the Chicago BLM chapter issued a carefully worded statement that speculated the civil unrest would persist until the city defunded the Police. The mayor does NOT agree.

No way would the state National Guard, let alone federal agents, been able to deploy in time to end the crazy.

Most of the destructors and looters were teens- young adults, the age cohort least likely to vote for anyone. While most were black, there was a presence of white people dressed in black.

Many made sure someone was filming while they looted. My favorite was a kid beating on an ATM with a hammer. He turned himself in the next day.

Again, who is benefitting? It’s not Democrats.

If there is dark money behind some of the unrest, it’s not likely coming from pro Biden sources.

The death of Geo Floyd and the unrest that ensued created a lifeline for Trump and he is obviously making the most of it.

No idea why mayors don’t call Trump’s bluff. Bring in the feds, just in case, given no one seems to know the next trigger event. Sure beats over taxing local police and incurring OT.

( I don’t support either candidate)
Sorry, I don't buy the "dark money" part being pro-Trump. The media's spin and inaction of dem mayors and DA's among the destruction of their cities tells us all we need to know.
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Old 09-02-2020, 10:01 AM
 
Location: NY
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Attempt #101 to get this to sink in.

Good luck, InformedConsent.
There's a certain line of thinking this summer that believes not much can be done to stop a riot. That's preposterous. But if that is true, we should all move to the woods of Maine or something....because anyone with a social media platform can roll into town with a few hundred people, and take whatever they want. If the government wants to stop a riot, they can.
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Old 09-02-2020, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I oppose the BLM organization 100%. They’re a racist organization trained in Marxist tactics, and they have incited violence all over the country. They are on record saying that looting is reparations. F that organization!
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Old 09-02-2020, 10:04 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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He said he sent the national guard and that without him Kenosha would not even exist.

Another mini-stroke?

He has nothing to do with sending the national guard, the governor did that on his own.
After Trump convinced him it had to be done. The governor should have called in the National Guard immediately after the first night of BLM's riots, burning, looting, and assaults. Why didn't he?
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Old 09-02-2020, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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All this is happening under Trump how will it be different if he gets reelected.
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Old 09-02-2020, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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The democrats want diversity. The better word for America to bring us together is assimilation .



The democrats want everyone in groups to divide us by race , culture and sex.


The democrats have a death wish for this country. They are wanting to bring in Marxist Communism. Not individual rights, but collective. They want big government to make decisions for all of us together. They want to tell us what to buy , what to think , what to say , and what to do. This is not freedom.



Look at Communist China. They took over Hong Kong. Now we have people telling Americans do not go to Hong Kong thinking you can say anything. You cannot . If you dare say anything against Communism , Americans will be jailed. Is this freedom?



The Chinese citizens who went on the internet and talked about what the Covid was doing and what the Chinese people had to endure were locked into there homes to die..they were scared to death and talked like they were going to die for saying the truth. Many disappeared. Those posting their videos told us in the internet that they had no contact with them and could not find them. This is communism and they are here to take over.


MSM and the democrats are supporting this movement for power. The communists have heavily infiltrated the colleges, and the democrat party. We see the hate for our country daily. BLM are trained to be Marxist thinkers.. coming from their own mouths.saying we are Marxists.. It is not about black lives. It is all about power, communist power . The transition that Obama talked about. Biden said if he is elected, he will be a transitional president. Biden is a globalist. They don't care about Americans.. they care about money. They want other countries to make products and get advanced to expand there businesses and leave Americans behind. China is now very powerful and rich.


We through our legislators allowed this with bad trade deals killing American wealth at the blue collar level. They don't care about advancing black Americans. It is plain to see . Look at the ghettos. Falling down , liberal cities forgotten getting poorer. Democrats have done NOTHING for blacks.. the successful black person did it themselves with the freedoms we have and are now fighting for.
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