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Old 09-03-2020, 06:57 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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That means 50% will be alive a year later if they do not die from COVID-19.

Al that is being asked of you "healthy younger people" is to wear a mask, wash your hands, and keep your distance from other people.
Can only agree with the bold. Most countries made it a requirement back in February. Where I live it is a $500 fine if you are caught not wearing your mask. Hand sanitizer is required at the entrance of all stores, banks, Gov buildings and restaurants. Pretty much any public or commercial space .

Compare Bangkok to NYC, Boston, Phili, Baltimore, Chicago.

Whats different? Compliance, enforcement, and it wasn't politicized.

We wear masks everywhere we go. Use hand sanitizer at the entrance of any public place and observe social distancing. We also fill out name and address of entering any public space. This is so if there is an outbreak, any one who was there can be contacted and tested.

Some people on here are pretty cold. So what if they die, they were 85.. Well I still revere my elders and feel we owe them every single day we can give them.
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Old 09-03-2020, 07:00 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Many people have the complicating factors. Simple high blood pressure is one of them. 46% of Americans have it. If you get mauled by a bear and die in surgery because you’re diabetic and they couldn’t control your blood sugar in the operating room the bear still killed you.
True, but in the States, If a bear mauled you and you tested positive to Covid and die in recovery they call it a covid death. Because hey, the bear tearing off half your head and shredding your body didn't kill you, it was the complications of testing positive to the covid that killed you.
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Old 09-03-2020, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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Then I apologize if I misunderstood you, but this is what you said and I didn't know you were talking about 5 months ago - my bad. Regarding hospitals not opening back up, is that going on currently where you live? I go to UC Davis in Sacramento and they resumed all services including elective surgery several months ago.
Oh really, so the hospitals are running at full function now? They rehired all of the furloughed staff? They resumed all services several months ago? Really now?
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Old 09-03-2020, 07:12 PM
 
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True, but in the States, If a bear mauled you and you tested positive to Covid and die in recovery they call it a covid death. Because hey, the bear tearing off half your head and shredding your body didn't kill you, it was the complications of testing positive to the covid that killed you.
No. The Covid 19 might be mentioned under 'other conditions' at the time of death. But not the immediate or antecedent cause.
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Old 09-03-2020, 07:14 PM
 
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Oh really, so the hospitals are running at full function now? They rehired all of the furloughed staff? They resumed all services several months ago? Really now?
That will depend on your locale, local Covid 19 prevalence and risk, along with every hospital's current operating policies.
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Old 09-03-2020, 07:19 PM
 
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The actual guidelines on covid death reporting...
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If COVID–19 played a role in the death, this condition should be specified on the death certificate. In many cases, it is likely that it will be the UCOD, as it can lead to various life- threatening conditions, such as pneumonia and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). In these cases, COVID–19 should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I with the other conditions to which it gave rise listed on the lines above it.
Generally, it is best to avoid abbreviations and acronyms, but COVID–19 is unambiguous, so it is acceptable to report on the death certificate.
In some cases, survival from COVID–19 can be complicated by pre-existing chronic conditions, especially those that result in diminished lung capacity, such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) or asthma. These medical conditions do not cause COVID–19, but can increase the risk of contracting a respiratory infection and death, so these conditions should be reported in Part II and not in Part I.
When determining whether COVID–19 played a role in the cause of death, follow the CDC clinical criteria for evaluating a person under investigation for COVID–19 and, where possible, conduct appropriate laboratory testing using guidance provided by CDC or local health authorities. More information on CDC recommendations for reporting, testing, and specimen collection, including postmortem testing, is available from: https://www. cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/hcp/clinical-criteria.html and https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidance- postmortem-specimens.html. It is important to remember that death certificate reporting may not meet mandatory reporting requirements for reportable diseases; contact the local health department regarding regulations specific to the jurisdiction.
In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
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Old 09-03-2020, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The actual guidelines on covid death reporting...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
Unambiguous, isn't it? But some health officials apparently cannot follow it.
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Old 09-03-2020, 07:44 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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No. The Covid 19 might be mentioned under 'other conditions' at the time of death. But not the immediate or antecedent cause.
Tell that to Illinois .
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Old 09-03-2020, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Tell that to Illinois .
What about Illinois? Source?
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Old 09-03-2020, 08:58 PM
 
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Tell that to Illinois .
No doubt there are screw ups here and there, but it is the same in all states.
Now and then I had death certificates been sent back to me by our ME for necessary corrections or addendums.
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