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But then you have to assume those attending to these uninsured are committing fraud. Sure there are bound to be a few bad ducks, but do you believe that to be true on any regular basis?
Many asymptomatic people test for Covid 19 for all sorts of reasons. You are thinking that vast numbers of uninsured are now testing, so that if positive they now gain some HC access? If they are asymptomatic just how much free care do you think that they will get? Not to mention....
Primary care docs by and large DO NOT want you - the positive Covid 19 patient - in their offices!
It is not fraud per se. Its merely an incentive for bias. That bias may even be with motives that are moral in nature, not fraudulent.
Yep, no deeper level thinking required to analyze cultural differences, overall health of the populace, and other factors that may play into it. I wish I could turn off my brain like you.
the first 3 left commenters, including the OP, follow this strategy.
we could go over all of it, but if someone waited 4 months to post the topic, I'm not sure we can simplify it enough.
It is not fraud per se. Its merely an incentive for bias. That bias may even be with motives that are moral in nature, not fraudulent.
OK about the incentive. But how or why does a doc purposefully get more Covid 19 patients and then mo' money with the uninsured?
They don't want Covid 19 patients in their offices.
Docs don't all enjoy caring for the uninsured, to say the least.
The pay is still a relative pittance.
And all that would have to offset the risk of getting caught committing fraud.
Outliers are very easy to spot.
Research is pointing to kidney dysfunction as the worst of risk factors in patients with normal immune systems. Obesity is right up there too.
CKD rate for the US and South Korea are similar I believe.... not sure why to tell you the truth.
My point it is that there is a complicated set of factors here.... Most populations suffer from the same set of illnesses but not all of them address them in the same manner with the same effectiveness. How South Korea (or any other country) handles COVID-19 is no different. We can argue percentage points here and there for each of the factors but that doesn't explain the discrepancies between the countries (and others that handled it even better than South Korea.... )
Haven't read thru the entire thread so I'm sure it's been mentioned already. But there seems to be an immense amount of pressure to mark ANY death that may closely resemble COVID as a COVID death. Elderly no longer die of pneumonia or other respiratory issues, it's all lumped into COVID deaths. Kinda reminds me of the "Mark it Zero" scene in the Big Lebowski where Walter banishes a gun when Smokey steps over the line bowling. WHO is holding the gun and doctors are being forced to "mark it COVID."
This doesn't happen abroad. Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it?
CKD rate for the US and South Korea are similar I believe.... not sure why to tell you the truth.
My point it is that there is a complicated set of factors here.... Most populations suffer from the same set of illnesses but not all of them address them in the same manner with the same effectiveness. How South Korea (or any other country) handles COVID-19 is no different. We can argue percentage points here and there for each of the factors but that doesn't explain the discrepancies between the countries (and others that handled it even better than South Korea.... )
IMO 2 major things SK compared to the USA.
Inherently better relative immunity. Either genetic, from previous viral exposures, or from previous national vaccination programs.
And then the relative lack of a serious political divide. So masking and distancing easier on a broad basis.
Haven't read thru the entire thread so I'm sure it's been mentioned already. But there seems to be an immense amount of pressure to mark ANY death that may closely resemble COVID as a COVID death. Elderly no longer die of pneumonia or other respiratory issues, it's all lumped into COVID deaths. Kinda reminds me of the "Mark it Zero" scene in the Big Lebowski where Walter banishes a gun when Smokey steps over the line bowling. WHO is holding the gun and doctors are being forced to "mark it COVID."
This doesn't happen abroad. Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it?
Yet America has had an extra 220,000 deaths this year over same time last year. Chances are Covid-19 deaths are being undercounted.
With stay-at-home orders in place and people not traveling, the number should have gone down.
Inherently better relative immunity. Either genetic, from previous viral exposures, or from previous national vaccination programs.
And then the relative lack of a serious political divide. So masking and distancing easier on a broad basis.
No disagreements from me.... as per my previous posts in this thread. 1st point is possible. Second point is apparent. Populous behavior around masking and distancing is also in part cultural factor.
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