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When I was talking about vulgarity and thuggery, I was specifically talking about the music and the movies. This came because you were talking about the projection of the thug in entertainment. I then asked about why thuggery and vulgarity are sought after in entertainment. I asked because if this stuff wasn't in demand, it wouldn't be made. The people making vulgar and violent rap music, those projecting thuggery in entertainment, they are making money for a reason. This stuff is in demand. A question is this. Why is it in demand?
When you brought up vulgarity and thuggery having been a thing for 50 years, I disagree. It's been around forever. Black men being portrayed as savages and thugs, that is nothing new. The image of the Black brute dates back to the 1870s. Real thuggery has not been projected into music on a grand level until the 1980s, with gangster rap.
The question is this: Why is this stuff in demand?
If you will reread post 181, you will find my ‘50 year’ reference to be directed towards the music and movies. I’m not talking about the 1870’s. The 1980’s would fall within the 50 year range.
I brought him up because because of a conversation about how Blacks are perceived. And this conversation got started because of the thinly veiled bigoted remarks towards Blacks. It started with me talking about the nasty comments some people have made towards Blacks regarding the subject of this thread. And then it went to "we can't blame people for the comments made towards Blacks, we have a bad image in the media". And then I brought this up: Black people like us don't have control of how we're portrayed in the media. Black people behaving badly sells.
And then it turned into stuff about Bill Cosby and the more positive images of Black people in the media. And then it was found that Cosby was as slimy as anyone else. For you, it is disappointed. It's disappointing for me too. For me as a Black male, it's embarrassing.
I haven't lived your life, but I'd say to not let what some bad behavior done by some black people affect you. Again, maybe it's part of the white experience but I don't feel compelled to worry about what other bad behavior committed by white guys. You shouldn't either with black men.
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Originally Posted by Stepnking
Wasn’t intended to be that way.
You were saying how you looked up to the man as a father figure. My father made mistakes, likely yours did too. I as a father made mistakes, but mistakes were not something written for Cosby’s character or narrative. When we do learn someone is not as perfect as we thought, disappointment is the result. My point was, actually no one is as perfect as we think. I am seldom disappointed.
Apologies if you were offended.
It's all good, maybe I was just being a pris, I don't know. I do get your points though.
If you will reread post 181, you will find my ‘50 year’ reference to be directed towards the music and movies. I’m not talking about the 1870’s. The 1980’s would fall within the 50 year range.
I thought you were talking about society in general. I was talking about movies and music. When it comes to society, thuggery and violence have been a part of it forever. And in movies and music, well, it varies. In the music, the 1980s is most definitely the turning point when thuggery and vulgarity became a big part of it. In movies, well, that can be up for debate. Marilyn Monroe was in "Some Like It Hot" in 1959. It was basically a sex comedy. Into the 1960s, more and more sexually explicit movies were being made. Now, this stuff didn't hit the televisions until the 1980s and after.
And there has always been violence in movies. The westerns of the 1950s are a good example of that.
What truth? All I see are alot of snide remarks towards Blacks. Why else would you make a remark such as "how long before the first Black on Black murder" other than for reasons of making snide remarks? If you have people coming together to build a community, build a community vs people living in an area because they're too broke to live anywhere else, why on earth would you think that said persons building a community would be just as crime prone as the persons who are just stuck in certain places?
Then maybe your group should clean up its act
Are you not aware of the horrible social and criminal demographics of rhe black race are. Is IGNORANCE the order of your day, every day.
Then maybe your group should clean up its act
Are you not aware of the horrible social and criminal demographics of rhe black race are. Is IGNORANCE the order of your day, every day.
Considering that you are a Republican and just made more snide remarks about Blacks, maybe I can say that Republicans are a whole are racist and look down on Blacks. How would you like that? Answers?
I thought you were talking about society in general. I was talking about movies and music. When it comes to society, thuggery and violence have been a part of it forever. And in movies and music, well, it varies. In the music, the 1980s is most definitely the turning point when thuggery and vulgarity became a big part of it. In movies, well, that can be up for debate. Marilyn Monroe was in "Some Like It Hot" in 1959. It was basically a sex comedy. Into the 1960s, more and more sexually explicit movies were being made. Now, this stuff didn't hit the televisions until the 1980s and after.
And there has always been violence in movies. The westerns of the 1950s are a good example of that.
Have you ever heard of "murder ballads" they've been around since before America. Violence in music has been around for a long time, we only have a modern take on it. Violence in movie was bound to happen as every form of popular culture has violence. The Iraqi/Mesopotamian "Epic of Gilgamesh" to a long list of Greek/Roman tragedies and dramas.
Have you ever heard of "murder ballads" they've been around since before America. Violence in music has been around for a long time, we only have a modern take on it. Violence in movie was bound to happen as every form of popular culture has violence. The Iraqi/Mesopotamian "Epic of Gilgamesh" to a long list of Greek/Roman tragedies and dramas.
I only know one: Banks Of The Ohio. I'm not really familiar with "murder ballads". I've never heard of violence being a big seller in music until the last 40 years.
Have you ever heard of "murder ballads" they've been around since before America. Violence in music has been around for a long time, we only have a modern take on it. Violence in movie was bound to happen as every form of popular culture has violence. The Iraqi/Mesopotamian "Epic of Gilgamesh" to a long list of Greek/Roman tragedies and dramas.
2nd reply. Violence has been around for a long time. However, in talking about what Black men have to deal with in the modern day, this is where I'm coming from. The modern media can project thug culture into the societal conscious faster, and often. And many people are eating it up.
This is what I'm getting to. Someone said that Black men have to improve their image. How will that get done when violence sells? How will that get done when pretending to be a violent thug sells? It's like a woman who worked for a radio station in Atlanta told me: If it bleeds, it leads. Rap music wasn't always violent. When some record companies offered rappers alot of money to rap about selling drugs, killing people, and getting gratuitous sex, that really changed things. Violent rap songs sold like crazy.
My point is this. There is money in projecting the image of Black men behaving like violent thugs. The market for it has to dry up. If it doesn't sell, it won't get produced like it's getting produced now. And then there will be fewer excuses to make snide remarks about Blacks. Maybe I'm being too optimistic.
Considering that you are a Republican and just made more snide remarks about Blacks, maybe I can say that Republicans are a whole are racist and look down on Blacks. How would you like that? Answers?
I offered you more wisdom in one post than you have proffered since you started. You take it as snide, well it is factual, so the facts are snide, not my observation of them.
This country needs "look in the mirror" reform. You have no clue, but "you" are the problem.
I am not a Republican, but your side give so much bad behavior to look down on, that it is impossible not to. Clean up your act, you hear. Quit the welfare abuse, quit walking down the street with your underwear showing, quit graffiti, quit the butchery, quit looking, speaking and acting like savages and freaks, and you'll see massive changes happen. Until then, there will be no change.
They Have a whole continent called Africa. And Hati. And let’s not forget the south side of Chicago. How are those places working out?
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