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It’s a positive first step towards normalising ties, but other than the UAE (and even that’s a stretch), the other two countries are rather insignificant in this context.
What you are forgetting is that Saudi Arabia and perhaps other countries can conduct consular and even diplomatic functions through UAE's and Bahrain's embassy. An example is the way business was conducted between the U.S. and Cuba from 1977 till resumption of diplomatic ties during the Obama years. From State Department website (so not subject to copyright restrictions) (link):
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On January 1961 full diplomatic relations between the U.S. and Cuba were severed. For the next 16 years, the U.S. was represented by the Swiss Embassy in Cuba. The U.S. Interest Section, or USINT, opened on September 1, 1977 re-occupying the seven-story former U.S. Embassy building. Officially, the Interests Section is part of and U.S. diplomats are accredited to the Swiss Embassy.
The USINT diplomatic staff provides a normal array of political and economic reporting, consular and visa services, administrative and security support and public affairs representation. Consular operations dominate USINT activities in Cuba, especially the implementation of the U.S. policy goal of promoting safe, legal, and orderly migration from Cuba to the United States. USINT has issued over 100,000 immigrant and refugee travel documents since 1994. By virtue of a reciprocal agreement, personnel ceilings are in effect limiting the number of personnel assigned to the U.S. Interests Section in Havana and the Cuban Interest Section in Washington.
USINT offices are located on the Malecon, Havana's famous and once lively seafront boulevard, with a view of the Florida straits. Between 1991-96, the USINT building underwent a major renovation.
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No I'm trying to put it into perspective. I'm learning lots along the way.
True there was no agreement that the USA was involved with by it does seem the UAE and Israel were well on their way -- all by themselves. Big boys!!!!
The Arab countries normalizing relations with Israel need a foil to justify to their various constituencies their change of position from enmity to amity. U.S. involvement is essential in that regard. Look what happened, for example, to Anwar Sadat.
There are five others in various stages of talks as well. This does indeed signal to the antisemitic Iran and the Palestinian leaders (HAMAS) that they will soon stand alone in their wish to destroy Israel. THEY will be viewed as the unreasonable, hateful ones, and the anti-Israel fervor on the radical left (in this country) will lose credibility.
it’s far from clear that the Israeli-Emirati agreement will help the prospects for peace between Israel and the Palestinians.
Lots of reading and it seems that this new found 'cooperation' was well underway BEFORE Trump. So it really isn't going to have the big impact that the White House seems to imply.
Israel and the UAE have been inching toward normalization in recent years. In 2015, Israel opened a diplomatic office in the Emirati capital of Abu Dhabi tied to the International Renewable Energy Agency; senior Israeli officials have visited Abu Dhabi; Israeli athletes have participated in regional competitions in the UAE; and Israel is set to participate in Dubai’s World Expo 2020, which is now scheduled to open in October 2021 due to the coronavirus pandemic.
So much information out there.
https://www.aei.org/foreign-and-defe...xoCc3kQAvD_BwE
The United States has been urging its Arab allies to normalize relations with the state of Israel since its founding, so this is a plus for American foreign policy. I also have little doubt that the Trump administration continued that tradition and encouraged this move. Yet the fact that this has been a constant of American policy means that it cannot explain this change.
Isn't this the standard liberal response to EVERYTHING good that has happened under a republican administration?
"Trump's good economy was because Obama handed it to him that way."
"Less people coming here illegally under Trump, was just a continuation of Obama's policies."
"Rudy Giuliani didn't cause crime to go down, it was headed in that direction anyway."
Now, "the mideast peace accords, and the end of the era of 'Israel as the neighborhood pariah', is due to the people who came before Trump."?
You guys use this for everything. You can never give credit where credit is due. It is so disingenuous, nobody falls for it anymore.
The point is without the Palestinians there is peace agreement and although any step forward is a positive this goes no where. Normalizing relations between UAE and Israel in return for a temporary suspension of West Bank acquisitions is not much of a concession. I heard nothing about a two state solution and it doesn't sound like Israel was ready for that agreement, temporary suspension of acquisitions is a pretty low bar.
So if you don't involve Hamas in any agreement how do you arrive at a peaceful solution. This just seems like election year politics grabbing some low hanging fruit and claiming it's historic.
If they are that confident in this peace deal then the US will reach agreement to sell the UAE F35 stealth jets.
At this point, nobody gives a rats ass about the Palestinians, myself included. They have had multiple opportunities for their own state, but they don't know how to take "Yes" for an answer. Instead of accepting their new state with 95% of what they asked for, they answered with attacks on Israeli civilians.
They have finally overplayed their hand. Their Arab neighbors have finally grown as tired of it, as the rest of the world has. They are no longer needed, for Israel to be an accepted and recognized neighbor in the region.
Maybe with their leverage gone, they will finally learn how to take yes for an answer, and there will be 2 states living peacefully side by side. But if not, meh?
To those interested in learning more about how the Trump Administration was able to bring about the Abraham Accord, Jared Kushner will be on Outnumbered (FOX), 1 pm EST.
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The point is without the Palestinians there is peace agreement and although any step forward is a positive this goes no where. Normalizing relations between UAE and Israel in return for a temporary suspension of West Bank acquisitions is not much of a concession. I heard nothing about a two state solution and it doesn't sound like Israel was ready for that agreement, temporary suspension of acquisitions is a pretty low bar.
So if you don't involve Hamas in any agreement how do you arrive at a peaceful solution. This just seems like election year politics grabbing some low hanging fruit and claiming it's historic.
If they are that confident in this peace deal then the US will reach agreement to sell the UAE F35 stealth jets.
You wanna know what an even lower bar is? Acknowledging Israel's right to exist. That's it. Just "exist." Have the Palestinians managed to hurdle that bar yet? Because if they haven't, then they are not worth talking to. At all.
Isn't this the standard liberal response to EVERYTHING good that has happened under a republican administration?
"Trump's good economy was because Obama handed it to him that way."
"Less people coming here illegally under Trump, was just a continuation of Obama's policies."
"Rudy Giuliani didn't cause crime to go down, it was headed in that direction anyway."
Now, "the mideast peace accords, and the end of the era of 'Israel as the neighborhood pariah', is due to the people who came before Trump."?
You guys use this for everything. You can never give credit where credit is due. It is so disingenuous, nobody falls for it anymore.
Bottom line is that we aren’t buying this nonsense that Trump is an A1 peacemaker and diplomacy wizard. We know better.
If he’s so damn good at diplomacy, then let’s see him make THIS country into a sea of tranquility and peace. Start at home. No one cares whether or not Israel and the UAE gets along or tears each other’s heads off. That’s on the very bottom of my priority list.
If Trump wants credit, fix what’s tangible right here in the United States.
it’s far from clear that the Israeli-Emirati agreement will help the prospects for peace between Israel and the Palestinians.
Lots of reading and it seems that this new found 'cooperation' was well underway BEFORE Trump. So it really isn't going to have the big impact that the White House seems to imply.
Israel and the UAE have been inching toward normalization in recent years. In 2015, Israel opened a diplomatic office in the Emirati capital of Abu Dhabi tied to the International Renewable Energy Agency; senior Israeli officials have visited Abu Dhabi; Israeli athletes have participated in regional competitions in the UAE; and Israel is set to participate in Dubai’s World Expo 2020, which is now scheduled to open in October 2021 due to the coronavirus pandemic.
So much information out there.
https://www.aei.org/foreign-and-defe...xoCc3kQAvD_BwE
The United States has been urging its Arab allies to normalize relations with the state of Israel since its founding, so this is a plus for American foreign policy. I also have little doubt that the Trump administration continued that tradition and encouraged this move. Yet the fact that this has been a constant of American policy means that it cannot explain this change.
Sure. I posted these earlier, but here they are again.
First, the Palestenians responded with protesting in opposition to the normalization of relations between Israel and Bahrain and the UAE. Further down in the article, ministers from the Palestinian Authority (PA), Iran and Turkey express their objections to this historic breakthrough and the change in direction of approaching the issue of Peace in the Middle East.
The Gaza protest, attended by a few dozen people, was organised by the ruling group Hamas.
"We have to fight the virus of normalisation and block all its paths before it succeeds to prevent it from spreading," said Hamas official Maher al-Holy. Demonstrators set fire to images of US President Donald Trump, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Bahrain's King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa, and the UAE's Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan.
While the United States, Israel, the UAE, and Bahrain hail the diplomatic moves as a significant step towards peace and stability in the Middle East, the Palestinians see it as a betrayal. They fear a weakening of a long-standing pan-Arab position that calls for Israeli withdrawal from occupied territory and acceptance of Palestinian statehood in return for normal relations with Arab countries.
Further down in the article, ministers from the Palestinian Authority (PA), Iran and Turkey express their objections to this historic breakthrough and the change in direction of approaching the issue of Peace in the Middle East.
While the concern of the PA over the pressure on Israel that comes from a united pan-Arab position against Israel, the rest of these countries are apparently not willing to maintain this tension indefinitely. They will surely still advocate a two-state solution in the West Bank, but it will have to be achieved simultaneously with the establishment of more sustainable, peaceful relations with Israel going forward.
The inconvenient truth here is that the reason there has not been peace in the Middle East before now is largely because the Palestinians have been opposed to it. As the article above shows, they are still opposed to it. But it appears that the rest of the Middle East may be starting to accept that this conflict has gone on long enough, and it is now time to move on.
As if that was not enough, rockets were fired from Palestinian territory in Gaza today at the city of Ashdod in Israel, population 200,000, as the normalization agreement were signed at the White House. Two people were injured in the attack and there was apparently property damage as well:
Two people were injured from a rocket attack launched from the Gaza Strip, which came at the same time as Israel signed historic peace treaties with two Arab nations at the White House.
The Israel Defense Forces said that at least two rockets were fired from the Hamas-controlled strip Tuesday evening local time. One of the rockets was intercepted by the country’s Iron Dome missile defense system, but another rocket exploded in a street in Ashdod, a city of more than 200,000 people.
The street and nearby storefronts were damaged in the attack, according to the Times of Israel. One 62-year-old man reportedly had shrapnel wounds to his upper body, and a 28-year-old man had sustained injuries from broken glass. Medics said four others had anxiety attacks as a result of the rocket fire.
This is how much the Palestinians apparently value peace. If anyone fired missiles at one of our cities in this manner there would be substantial retaliation, and rightfully so.
Jimmy Carter did a good job getting the intial peace agreement done between Egypt & Israel, but yes, Trump deserves a lot of credit for what is happening right now. Will the left give the "orange man" any credit? Don't hold your breath.
Jimmy Carter did do a good job with that agreement. It was historic. It was important. Kudos and respect to Jimmy Carter for his leadership in facilitating that agreement between Israel and Egypt.
The USA is heavily criticized for its constant interference -- be it with military might or with 'diplomacy', managing what the USA deems as acceptable policy.
And I'm critical of Republican and Democrat governments that see the USA's role in influencing and managing tensions around the world. It just doesn't seem to end well for the USA so many times.
So, are you now supportive of a an isolationist foreign policy by the United States? It seems like that is the point you are trying to make here.
But that would be radically in opposition to the globalist/Marxist ideology currently in favor with the Democrat left, whose agenda you typically support.
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