Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 10-19-2020, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
10,066 posts, read 14,444,601 times
Reputation: 11256

Advertisements

This finger pointing and shaming of governors who are just not abiding by the "dictatorial handbook" of blue state governors is tiresome.

Must be frustrating living in a country that doesn't want continued never-ending lockdowns and government absolute enforcement.

LOL
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 10-19-2020, 12:27 PM
bu2
 
24,101 posts, read 14,885,315 times
Reputation: 12934
Quote:
Originally Posted by roodd279 View Post
Currently, the national death rate is only .026%, about the same as the seasonal flu..

What?!


National (COVID) death rate is around 0.65% (CDC's latest guess). There is no ZERO in front of that 6.


There IS a zero in front of your flu number - it means COVID is about 30x worse than the flu, and the numbers kinda bear that out.


In reality - if you want it to be "the same" as the flu - you'd need 200K dead people from the flu.
One or both of you have a problem with math. I'm not going to try to figure out which.

The flu has killed 40,000 a year average over the last 10 years. The Wuhan virus has killed 200,000 this year. That's only 5 times as many.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-19-2020, 12:42 PM
 
2,714 posts, read 2,215,475 times
Reputation: 2817
Is the common cold, allergies, sinus issues and flu bundled in with Covid now? People that have a positive test one day have negative tests a few days later.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-19-2020, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island
57,271 posts, read 26,206,502 times
Reputation: 15641
Quote:
Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Huge emphasis was placed on the “China virus” and sort of preventing arrivals of Chinese tourists in the US.

We watched what was going on in Europe and assumed it could not happen, here. The virus spread from China to Europe to the US.

Millions poured into the NYC tri- state area from hot spots in Europe during the weeks/ months before the Federal Government restricted arrivals. There are no direct flights between Europe and Sioux Falls.

Population matters:
Sioux Falls- 182,000
NYC-8.4 million
( this does not take into account the millions who live in NJ and Ct who commute to NYC for work)

Population density matters :
Sioux Falls- 2,435/ mile
NYC- 28,000/ mile
(The Bronx-35,000/ mile)

NYC has the busiest subway system in the US and is one of the busiest in the world. Sioux Falls has limited public transportation.

NYC peaked April- May. Test kits in the US were scarce. PPE was scarce. Ventilators were scarce.

NY, like several other states, required nursing homes to readmit/ retain Covid positive patients WHEN the facility had the ability to isolate infected patients and adequate PPE. At those times past, those who worked in nursing homes were not tested, anywhere in the US. Assuming, nursing homes complied with isolation requirements, the only human interaction that occurred was with the employees who came and went each day.

NYC imposed restrictions on restaurants, bars, retail, public transportation. NYC eventually closed schools. Compliance with restrictions was hit/ miss.

We know more about Covid now than was known 6 months ago. There is more testing. There are treatments that did not exist 6 months ago. More are surviving Covid than did during the initial outbreak.

6 months is a lifetime in a pandemic.

Appears South Dakota did next to nothing to mitigate the transmission of Covid. It was only a matter of time.

Covid is surging throughout the Midwest. Wisconsin and the Army Corps built a 530 bed field hospital on fair grounds in April. It did not open.......until last week- 6 month later. The state was airlifting patients from hospitals at capacity to other hospitals in the state before running out of beds.

A field hospital is only useful, when staffed by appropriately trained healthcare workers. At least one Illinois hospital system is reassigning some people to Wisconsin.

Given that surge in all states bordering Illinois, it is only a matter of time before Chicago is hit once again.
Comparing South Dakota to NY is a poor analogy to say the least particularly using numbers in April. South Dakota had 6 months to prepare for this and with their low density and lack of subways, major airports and subway systems should have made it easy to control the virus. Instead they made believe the virus would behave differently than it did on the east coast and they were immune.

They have a big problem now no doubt about it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-19-2020, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island
57,271 posts, read 26,206,502 times
Reputation: 15641
Quote:
Originally Posted by bu2 View Post
One or both of you have a problem with math. I'm not going to try to figure out which.

The flu has killed 40,000 a year average over the last 10 years. The Wuhan virus has killed 200,000 this year. That's only 5 times as many.
We never shut down schools, airports and businesses for the flu, just imagine the number if we treated this like the flu. We are only in October and this began in February, only 8 months in and we had the benefit that this hit in late winter early spring.

Last edited by Goodnight; 10-19-2020 at 03:53 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-19-2020, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Long Island
57,271 posts, read 26,206,502 times
Reputation: 15641
Using virus relief funds for tourism.

Quote:
South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem’s administration announced Tuesday that it is using federal coronavirus relief funds to pay for a $5 million tourism ad campaign aimed at drawing people to the state, even as it emerges as one of the nation’s top hot spots for COVID-19 infections.

Noem spokesman Ian Fury defended using the federal coronavirus funds for the ads, saying that the state “should absolutely be promoting tourism” because it is vital to South Dakota’s economy. After agriculture, it is the state’s largest industry.
Noem Violates CARES Act, Spends Coronavirus Relief on National TV Ads for Tourism – Dakota Free Press
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-19-2020, 04:03 PM
 
6,829 posts, read 2,117,145 times
Reputation: 2591
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
We never shut down schools, airports and businesses for the flu, just imagine the number if we treated this like the flu. We are only in October and this began in February, only 8 months in and we had the benefit that this hit in late winter early spring.
It really wouldn't be all that different except the curve would be sharper up in april and sharper down in june.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-19-2020, 09:38 PM
 
20,757 posts, read 8,576,536 times
Reputation: 14393
Quote:
Originally Posted by reubenray View Post
Is the common cold, allergies, sinus issues and flu bundled in with Covid now? People that have a positive test one day have negative tests a few days later.
I heard that people who have had colds and flu have tested positive. I think the true test is the antibodies test or whatever it's called where you can see if you actually had Covid but didn't know it. Then you don't have to worry about getting it or giving it. If more people got that test, I bet we'd see massive numbers of people who fall into that category. Which would mean this illness if far less lethal than we've been lead to believe.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-18-2021, 10:25 AM
 
26,497 posts, read 15,074,947 times
Reputation: 14643
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
The mortality rate in nursing homes in South Dakota is 48%, NY is 20%. You are a little off topic in this thread but you are also wrong.
Not true. Cuomo lied to you.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-18-2021, 10:36 AM
 
515 posts, read 253,050 times
Reputation: 435
Quote:
Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
Not true. Cuomo lied to you.
well at the time we didn't know about that. Cuomo will be in serious trouble. SD doesn't get marks for how they handled this because NY mishandled their response. There really haven't been that many good responses across America that have balanced health and safety with responsible reopening.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:48 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top