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Old 09-15-2020, 05:45 AM
 
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Trump angered Putin by trying to ruin the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that would allow Russian gas to be sold to Germany.

Trump argued that Germany can't trust Russia to supply its energy as Russia is a geopolitical adversary to Germany and its allies. Trump tried to get Germany to buy US gas instead of Russian gas from a company that Putin is heavily invested in (and if you believe the mainstream propaganda media, Trump is supposedly a lapdog of Putin).

Germany was angered and rebuffed Trump.

Now, several key German politicians including Merkel are saying that relying more on Russia for energy is a bad idea and are saying that they may push to cancel it.

https://www.politico.eu/article/6-wa...am-2-pipeline/
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Old 09-15-2020, 07:13 AM
 
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Trump angered Putin by trying to ruin the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that would allow Russian gas to be sold to Germany.

Trump argued that Germany can't trust Russia to supply its energy as Russia is a geopolitical adversary to Germany and its allies. Trump tried to get Germany to buy US gas instead of Russian gas from a company that Putin is heavily invested in (and if you believe the mainstream propaganda media, Trump is supposedly a lapdog of Putin).

Germany was angered and rebuffed Trump.

Now, several key German politicians including Merkel are saying that relying more on Russia for energy is a bad idea and are saying that they may push to cancel it.

https://www.politico.eu/article/6-wa...am-2-pipeline/


I believed my eyes seeing Trump bow to his master in Helsinki.
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Old 09-15-2020, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Russia sill has other market opportunities.

But maybe they will finally diversify their revenue and become more self-sustaining.
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Old 09-15-2020, 11:55 AM
 
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Russia sill has other market opportunities.

But maybe they will finally diversify their revenue and become more self-sustaining.

Yes, Russia is forging a closer and stronger union with China ( since that's what the situation is dictating them.)
As for Germany...
That Nordstream 2 was a 9 billion euros project, ( mostly invested/paid by Germans,) plus they will have to pay penalties for getting out of the contract, plus they will have to pay for American gas that's so much more expensive than the Russian one.

Not exactly a rosy picture for Germans.
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Old 09-15-2020, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I believed my eyes seeing Trump bow to his master in Helsinki.
If you informed yourself, instead of just regurgitating a completely unfounded slander, you would know that none of Trump’s policies have benefited or been helpful to Russia. It’s hard when objective reality contradicts your wishful thinking, isn’t it?
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Old 09-15-2020, 12:33 PM
 
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Trump angered Putin by trying to ruin the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that would allow Russian gas to be sold to Germany.

Trump argued that Germany can't trust Russia to supply its energy as Russia is a geopolitical adversary to Germany and its allies. Trump tried to get Germany to buy US gas instead of Russian gas from a company that Putin is heavily invested in (and if you believe the mainstream propaganda media, Trump is supposedly a lapdog of Putin).

Germany was angered and rebuffed Trump.

Now, several key German politicians including Merkel are saying that relying more on Russia for energy is a bad idea and are saying that they may push to cancel it.

https://www.politico.eu/article/6-wa...am-2-pipeline/
Last I checked it still wasn’t feasible for anyone in Europe to rely on US natural gas. The Russian pipelines is their only near term realistic option.

To import US gas requires shipping it by boat. There aren’t really any terminals currently that can take it in large enough quantities. Some are being built, but last I looked still a ways off.

Trumps not involved in their thinking.
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Old 09-15-2020, 12:42 PM
 
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Last I checked it still wasn’t feasible for anyone in Europe to rely on US natural gas. The Russian pipelines is their only near term realistic option.

To import US gas requires shipping it by boat. There aren’t really any terminals currently that can take it in large enough quantities. Some are being built, but last I looked still a ways off.

Trumps not involved in their thinking.
I 100% agree that US natural gas is more expensive and less efficient to get into German markets compared to Russia's.

Trump's argument is how can Germany/Europe out one side of their mouth say Russia is a geo-political adversary that is a real threat and then out of the opposite side of their mouth say it isn't a big deal to rely more and more on Russia for energy. Energy that if shut off instantaneously without warning could weaken or cripple them.

Some German leaders seem to be considering this point now. Trump not known for tact, made a lot of Russians and Germans upset with his aggressive pushing of this.
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Old 09-15-2020, 12:44 PM
 
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Trump angered Putin by trying to ruin the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that would allow Russian gas to be sold to Germany.

Trump argued that Germany can't trust Russia to supply its energy as Russia is a geopolitical adversary to Germany and its allies. Trump tried to get Germany to buy US gas instead of Russian gas from a company that Putin is heavily invested in (and if you believe the mainstream propaganda media, Trump is supposedly a lapdog of Putin).

Germany was angered and rebuffed Trump.

Now, several key German politicians including Merkel are saying that relying more on Russia for energy is a bad idea and are saying that they may push to cancel it.

https://www.politico.eu/article/6-wa...am-2-pipeline/
One of the few examples of bipartisanship these days - Republican Senator Ted Cruz and Democrat Jeanne Shaheen sponsored sanctions to stop the pipeline.
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Old 09-15-2020, 12:55 PM
 
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Trump angered Putin by trying to ruin the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that would allow Russian gas to be sold to Germany.

Trump argued that Germany can't trust Russia to supply its energy as Russia is a geopolitical adversary to Germany and its allies. Trump tried to get Germany to buy US gas instead of Russian gas from a company that Putin is heavily invested in (and if you believe the mainstream propaganda media, Trump is supposedly a lapdog of Putin).

Germany was angered and rebuffed Trump.

Now, several key German politicians including Merkel are saying that relying more on Russia for energy is a bad idea and are saying that they may push to cancel it.

https://www.politico.eu/article/6-wa...am-2-pipeline/
You think no one in Germany ever thought of the risks of relying too much on Russian gas? Of course they are aware of the risks, but as of now it is a cheap source of energy, and they produce less than 10% of their energy from gas. The largest source is renewables, which produces more than nuclear and coal combined. Trump might want to listen to that.

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Last I checked it still wasn’t feasible for anyone in Europe to rely on US natural gas. The Russian pipelines is their only near term realistic option.
No one wants to rely on US as long as Trump is in the WH knowing he can dishonor agreements in a heartbeat.

Last edited by Finn_Jarber; 09-15-2020 at 01:17 PM..
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Old 09-15-2020, 01:01 PM
 
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Trump angered Putin by trying to ruin the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that would allow Russian gas to be sold to Germany.

Trump argued that Germany can't trust Russia to supply its energy as Russia is a geopolitical adversary to Germany and its allies. Trump tried to get Germany to buy US gas instead of Russian gas from a company that Putin is heavily invested in (and if you believe the mainstream propaganda media, Trump is supposedly a lapdog of Putin).

Germany was angered and rebuffed Trump.

Now, several key German politicians including Merkel are saying that relying more on Russia for energy is a bad idea and are saying that they may push to cancel it.

https://www.politico.eu/article/6-wa...am-2-pipeline/
Lot of errors in your post and repeated disinformation.

Russia already sold gas to Germany. The pipeline wouldn't alter the mix since it's meant to replace a quarter of the flow through Ukraine and Poland, both angry because they lose revenue.

Ukraine defaulted on payments to Russia for the gas. That caused the gas flow to be cut off.

Alternative pipelines and LNG facilities are needed to avoid Ukraine and Poland who are unreliable.

Trump is tying to sell excess natural gas from the shale drilling and doesn't competitively price in the markets because of the high transport fees. Also, a lot of diplomats, senior officials, and politicians from the US have a stake in Ukrainian assets either as investors or paid lobbyists.
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