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Old 09-15-2020, 09:30 AM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by blahblahyoutoo View Post
as an independent moderate, it's very clear to me.
no matter what trump does, you make excuses to justify his actions. just like what hard left leaning supporters of obama did for him.
"Independant moderate"
Trump sucks on many issues, but the Democrats drive to the Left and their local politicians drive to insane policies which invite Violence and Lawlessness into their cities show how inept Democrats have become.

Obama? Maybe when Dems stop covering for his Invasions in Libya, and Syria, his attacks in Yemen, and a billion dollars worth of cruise missiles used in the Middle East, we can hold Farrakhans friend in the same esteem as President Trump.
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Old 09-15-2020, 09:31 AM
 
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What is this gibberish?
What is this madness!
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Old 09-15-2020, 09:35 AM
 
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It's Truth.

They do all the things that were cited as "why Trump won".

They are condescending
They overlook his mistakes
They give him a free pass
They follow the media that tells them what they want to hear

They don't challenge themselves in any way to see truth. (And I've admitted before, and will admit again, many Dems did this under Obama, which is probably why Trump got enough traction to get elected.)
pretty much. they will defend ANYTHING trump, regardless of how inane it is. and they will attack everything on the other side of the spectrum, regardless of its merits and benefits.
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Old 09-15-2020, 09:37 AM
 
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Nah.

Trump supporters aren't rioting and burning down buildings and businesses.

Nor are they shooting police officers and then blocking ambulances from getting to hospitals.
Only low life dirty Democrats are doing this, with their BLM buddies. America does NOT want the whining, crying Democrats running (destroying) our country.
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Old 09-15-2020, 09:39 AM
 
Location: NC
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You missed two salient points. Whatever Trump does invariably turns out to the betterment of the USA, and whatever Obama did was to America's worsening (such as sending pallet-loads, a whole plane-load, of cash to the Iranians.

Obama made America weaker (which his supporters like), while:

Trump made America stronger and more-prosperous (which HIS supporters like).

That both sides aggressively support their "leader" should not come as a surprise to anyone.
This is exactly the point (I think) the OP is making. Your one-sided characterization of reality is not only wrong, it's exactly what many Trump supporters said they hated about Obama supporters.

At MINIMUM, you have to admit that not everyone agrees with you.

In reality:
Economist don't agree with you
Scientists don't agree with you
Military Leaders don't agree with you
World Leaders don't agree with you
Merkle, Jung, Putin, don't agree with you
In more cases than not, the SCUTOS's don't agree with you.

Yet you go on making the fake case that Trump has been 100% great, and Obama was 100% bad. Neither is true, and if you were to flip it, neither would still be true.


How do you expect ANYONE to take you seriously when you are so blind to reality? I railed against Obama supporters who were as blind as you, and I still do. Put the koolaide down.

And to be clear:
Trump has done some bad things, Trump has done some good things
Obama did some bad things, Obama did some good things.

By "some", it can be anything other than "all or nothing". You are saying all and nothing, and in such absolute terms, you, or anyone who says the same, for EITHER side, is wrong. Absolutes just don't work!
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Old 09-15-2020, 09:40 AM
 
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This discussion is not about policies. You may (or may not) have a point, but in this case, the discussion is about Trump supporters doing exactly the thing they railed against when Obama was in office.

Are you guys refusing to answer because you are not willing to admit it, or are you not understanding the question. (And before you state that the thesis was wrong from the get-go, not a single person has addressed that point of view either.)

Stick to the topic, and quit shifting to lies that you think you can defend.

It's not about rioting It's not about policies. It's about the condescending attitude, and the mind-set that "if you don't agree with me, you are wrong". If you didn't like it under Obama, why are you accepting of it under Trump?

There's nothing new about the mind set of "if you don't agree with me, you are wrong." One huge difference is that for eight years Obama supporters often blamed opposition to his policies on racism. Another is that many Trump opponents never really accepted his election as legitimate, never quite got over Hillary grasping defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Old 09-15-2020, 09:56 AM
 
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Why does the Left always make this about Trump? Look at the Policies. You either agree with Trumps policies or you agree with the Dems Socialist Policies & Cancelling America. Which is it?
Vote accordingly.
Its not even about policies but being a faithful team player.
Trump has changed on many policies and the cult follows right along with it.
It is like a football team.
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Old 09-15-2020, 10:11 AM
 
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as an independent moderate, it's very clear to me.
no matter what trump does, you make excuses to justify his actions. just like what hard left leaning supporters of obama did for him.
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Originally Posted by Myghost View Post
It's Truth.

They do all the things that were cited as "why Trump won".

They are condescending
They overlook his mistakes
They give him a free pass
They follow the media that tells them what they want to hear

They don't challenge themselves in any way to see truth. (And I've admitted before, and will admit again, many Dems did this under Obama, which is probably why Trump got enough traction to get elected.)
I've said it from the beginning. He is an a--hole for sure. A horrible public speaker, a narcissist , has a huge ego and if I ever had a choice, I'd much rather sit and have a beer with Biden vs Trump..the stories would be better.

The fact is though, Wallstreet loves Trump. When Wallstreet is happy, Corporations are happy. When they are happy, it trickles down. Corporate confidence creates consumer confidence. Those things keep the economy going. My wife and I have had a very prosperous 4 years and things are still going great. Unfortunately not everyone is feeling this though. And sadly it is never the case. There will always be those that are fortunate and those that are not. At the beginning of Obama's first term, we were on the unfortunate side. Also, throughout my working career, I've always prospered when there was GOP leadership.

And there is a long list of other things, border issues, SCOTUS picks, etc. That I am happy with and like the direction he is taking.

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Old 09-15-2020, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Nah.

Trump supporters aren't rioting and burning down buildings and businesses.

Nor are they shooting police officers and then blocking ambulances from getting to hospitals.



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Old 09-15-2020, 10:14 AM
 
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Its not even about policies but being a faithful team player.
Trump has changed on many policies and the cult follows right along with it.
It is like a football team.
exactly, I'm actually more right leaning and there are policies of trump's I agree with (tighter border and immigration policies for example) although I despise the man.
I have no issues calling out politicians on sides of the aisle, as many in this country are unable to do. we've been brainwashed and conditioned to blindly follow one party and condemn the other. this is tearing the country apart.
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