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And hopefully it will never be like that here . Already we have people hinting they want to make mask wearing a mandated permanent normal as well as other restrictions
Definitely a culture thing with very positive returns these days!
Half the USA feels masks are weak and unmanly liberal signals.
It’s not necessarily that. It’s that they are not really presenting a real endgame with Covid and keep moving the goal posts. It was “15 days to flatten the curve”, “masks don’t work”, “oh wait they do”, then it became “we need to keep restrictions until a vaccine” and now it’s starting to lo like a vaccine won’t be enough. People at understandably tired and wary of it
Masks work. Preventing spread prevents death. I don’t get why such common sense is so strongly opposed.
Medical disinformation from foreign influencers such as the Kremlin and homegrown political operatives has become a large part of an ongoing and persistent effort to advance false narratives that cause confusion in our country. Some folks just ignorantly believe the propaganda and unwittingly spread it and others actively engage in it for their own benefit or cause.
In fact two Russians with senior roles in Moscow’s military intelligence service / GRU have been identified as responsible for a massive disinformation effort meant to divide American public opinion on the pandemic. U.S. officials have warned before about the spread of disinformation and conspiracies tied to the pandemic--- some of those spread by our own POTUS---- and this summer they provided the name of a particular information agency that is registered in Russia: InfoRos.
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InfoRos actually operates a series of websites — InfoRos.ru, Infobrics.org and OneWorld.press — that have leveraged the pandemic to promote anti-Western objectives and to spread disinformation. The sites promote their narratives in a sophisticated but insidious effort that they liken to money laundering, where stories in well-written English are cycled through other news sources to conceal their origin and enhance the legitimacy of the information..
Our nation's intelligence experts say that Putin has played a principal role in the spread of false information as part of his wider effort to discredit the West and destroy his enemies from within.
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A decade of health disinformation promoted by President Vladimir Putin of Russia has sown wide confusion, hurt major institutions and encouraged the spread of deadly illnesses. As the pandemic swept the globe, it was accompanied by a dangerous surge of false information — an “infodemic,” according to the World Health Organization
Trump has done the most outstanding job in handling the pandemic “if you just take out all the people that died".....Seth Meyer.
The purpose of dividing the dead into political categories has got to be one of the most disturbing things he's said (this week). Can't believe it's not getting more scrutiny.
Trump has done the most outstanding job in handling the pandemic “if you just take out all the people that died".....Seth Meyer.
The purpose of dividing the dead into political categories has got to be one of the most disturbing things he's said (this week). Can't believe it's not getting more scrutiny.
It's has become the punch line on comedy shows.
What happened to our country?
Q:What happened to our country?
A: People voted for a guy because of his entertainment value. They supported a candidate because he desired to blow everything up. A major political party nominated an inept and totally unqualified
amoral person.
Our country has a president who believes he is only President of the White Folks in the Red states; and then only because he wants to use them for re-election to a job he has no interest in doing.
America has become a gallows humor type of punchline around the world. We are disregarded and disrespected and laughed at; more economic and national security negative fallout will continue to occur due to our nation's pathetic response to our public health crisis. This is what happens when folks think the federal government is so unimportant they can hand it safely over to a know nothing, corrupt, reality TV star.
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What exactly is the endgame we are trying to reach with Covid?
U ntil there are no cases anymore?
until a vaccine? What if the vaccine isn't 100% effective? What if not everyone can take it? How do public places know who has taken the vaccine or not?
do some want the COVID way of living to be a permanent normal?
is this the end of in person schools, colleges, bars, gyms, movie theaters, audiences at sporting events, concerts etc? Are small businesses screwed?
When did “flattening the curve” turn into “have no infections and deaths” which is likely only possible with permanent, perpetual lockdowns?
It’s been seven months. The goal posts have been constantly moved. Nobody is buying “if we just wear a mask for a bit it will all be over” anymore e
These quesitons are taken almost 100% from Facebook meme's. You are being used to spread propaganda, how does that feel?
The end-game is simply that "it is what it is" (as famously lalready stated), and we need to respond accordingly. I don't think anyone WANTS this to be a permenant way, but what if it is anyway? Do you suggest just sticking our heads in the sand and ignoring reality?
I have stated time and time again: The end game is to understand what we have here, and respond accordingly. Take any point you made, any one of them, and just analyze it with facts, instead of emotioins. Example: Is wearing a mask going to be necessary forever? Nobody knows, but as long as the virus is extremely active, it SEEMS to be the best way to allow the economy to open without making hte virus worse. I don't get the "all or nothing mentality" of We must open ALL of the economy, and do NOTHING to make that decision safer." Why not, instead, say "let's do all we can to open up, but do it with the least negative perurcussions."
Trump and co are politicizing this, and it's costing lives...
Blue states have higher populations and more population density. Of course they will have more COVID-19 cases.
They also have the overwhelming number of international airports. Millions arrived at JFK and other cities from European hot spots in the weeks before travel and entry were restricted.
For some reason, global travelers generally don’t seek to travel to Fargo, Cheyanne and Sioux Falls.
80% of the US population live in metro areas.large metro areas tend to have public transportation infrastructures. The NY subway system in the only US system in the top ten busiest in the world.
Infection rates are highly dependent on the rate of testing.
Covid related death rates are highly dependent on who is infected.
In early August, a small church wedding in rural Maine resulted in 170 incremental positive infections and 7 deaths. This church encouraged people to not wear masks. None of the fatalities attended the wedding. Rather, attendees brought the infection to their jobs.
This largely tracks with the states that were hit first.
My first coworker died in mid-March. Many of my friends and family in Georgia didn't even know anyone who was sick until May.
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