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Old 09-20-2020, 01:00 PM
 
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Huge percentage of US deaths is also attributed to nursing homes. What's your point?
It shows Dem governors really screwed up
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Old 09-20-2020, 01:01 PM
 
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We had 657 deaths and over 42,000 new infections yesterday we are consistently one of the worst performing countries and this is September. Arizona had more new deaths and infections than China, this is a massive failure of leadership and people are using Sweden as a model, less restrictions life as normal.

No one can be that scientifically illiterate.
Yeah I’m sure China is telling the truth
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Old 09-20-2020, 01:02 PM
 
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It didn't come back in NYC. It hasn't come back in any significant numbers in Europe.
Oh good then why are there still so many restrictions? Almost like there is no real endgame
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Old 09-20-2020, 01:04 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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The data is in and there is NOT another surge in Sweden. The surge is happening in places that implemented policies like masks and shutdowns.
Err... the past, present, and future walked into a bar. It was tense.
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Old 09-20-2020, 01:07 PM
 
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It shows Dem governors really screwed up
That percentage is huge in TX.

Next.
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Old 09-20-2020, 01:14 PM
 
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There is no herd immunity.

Sweden's approach was a disaster, they even admit this, and their numbers are stark compared to their other Scandinavian peers that did take actions.

Sweden's situation was not worse due to things they were already doing, and the actions citizens took themselves without the gov mandates. Example is that 32% or so of people already worked from home, compared to under what was it, 3%, of people in the US. Businesses took actions as did people regards to social distancing for example.

Where Sweden really screwed up is where states like NY did, in that they did jack squat for nursing homes, which were the most vulnerable to this disease. Sweden actually went further and even banned the use of masks and other preventive measures in nursing homes, which was an astonishing and baffling move, just as Cuomo's actions forcing nursing homes to take infected patients.
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Old 09-20-2020, 01:25 PM
 
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That percentage is huge in TX.

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No where close
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Old 09-20-2020, 01:34 PM
 
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Sweden is an example that has little relationship to the US. In Sweden all businesses are required to provide sick leave for two weeks at 80% of salary. In the Covid crisis, the government took over payment of it. Then the government waived the requirement to have a physicians note to use the sick leave. Also, almost 50% of all Swedes live alone; thus isolation works better. Then to cap it off, there are generous government housing subsidies making housing affordable. Add to that taxpayer funded health care and a healthier population there is maybe much we can learn from Sweden, but those who tout it are advocating socialist polices.

The other thing to remember about Sweden is that the decisions regarding a lockdown are not made by the PM, King or any elected authority. The Constitution gives that authority to the public agencies which are independent from the government in their daily business; this dates back to the political reforms taken in the Regeringsform of 1634. The elected government has no say in the matter.
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Old 09-20-2020, 02:29 PM
 
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No where close
https://data.cms.gov/stories/s/COVID...ata/bkwz-xpvg/

Next.

P.S. Oh, and don't forget the difference in timing. There was eternity between March and July/August as far as Covid goes.
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Old 09-20-2020, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Link: https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-sha...rategy-worked/

More evidence that mask mandates and lockdowns only prolong the pandemic. Of course, that's what the Democrats have been doing (masks and shutdowns) just because they think it helps them politically.
If you view humans as expendable for economic purposes.

Sweden had 10x as many deaths per capita as Norway and Finland.
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