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Old 09-21-2020, 11:45 PM
 
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy View Post
The State only owns 3% of forest land. The feds own 57% And the author wants us to believe that forest fires are the fault of the State of California for not burning enough of their 3%
Stop young lady .

You’re making too much sense .

 
Old 09-22-2020, 12:49 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy View Post
The State only owns 3% of forest land. The feds own 57% And the author wants us to believe that forest fires are the fault of the State of California for not burning enough of their 3%
Boy are your figures off - the state is responsible for all forest land that is not federally controlled, that is the remaining 43%, most of the areas burning are CA responsibility not Fed.

Federal law also has a provision - known as the “Good Neighbor Authority” - that allows states to implement forest health projects on federally owned land so CA can not just say it is not our issue, by this standard they can control 100% of the forest in CA. CA has acknowledged that the forest lands need to be managed better. From the CalFire report https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...ention-and.pdf

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It is important to note that California faces a massive backlog of forest management work. Millions of acres are in need of treatment, and this work—once completed—must be repeated over the years. Also, while fuels treatment such as forest thinning and creation of fire breaks can help reduce fire severity, wind-driven wildfire events that destroy lives and property will very likely still occur.

This report’s recommendations on priority fuel reduction projects and administrative, regulatory, and policy changes can protect our most vulnerable communities in the short term and place California on a trajectory away from increasingly destructive fires and toward more a moderate and manageable fire regime.
The facts are ugly - it is primarily CA fault for not managing the forest to reduce fire risk.

Also when the national forest service tried to approve a contract to log some of their lands, several Congressmen and Sen Harris shut it down.
 
Old 09-22-2020, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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LOL - blame "climate change."
But the hoaxers always omit "anthropogenic" so they aren't caught in their lies.
. . .

Climate is what you expect - weather is what you get.
 
Old 09-22-2020, 02:26 AM
 
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Originally Posted by green_mariner View Post
California has been getting wildfires going back generations. Political party has nothing to do with it. It's the state's geography.

It has almost everything to do with it. Fire behavior in california has always been extreme due to weather and geography thats pretty much all you got right. What has changed is hundreds of thousands of home in fire areas and environmentalists and their liberal enablers not allowing burning because it's "bad for the environment" These fires put out hundreds of thousands times more pollution in weeks than california does in a year.
 
Old 09-22-2020, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Originally Posted by Mad_Jasper View Post
On one of my conference calls today, we were comparing power outages in Florida/California.

Florida: Cat 2 Hurricane knocks our power out for 48 hours.

California: A warm breeze results in the government shutting power down for six days to prevent a wildfire in an unmanaged forest.
One little problem with your 'theory', in California the government does not shut power down - utility companies do, most of them privately owned for-profit companies whose negligence has caused a huge amount of damage.

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An investor-owned utility, PG&E provides power to most of California, servicing more than 16 million people. It’s also been found responsible for at least 17 of the state’s 21 major wildfires in 2017, not to mention last year’s Camp Fire in which 87 people died, making it the deadliest fire in California history. Several times this month, PG&E has cut the power on more than a million customers for fear of winds sparking a fire. Schools have closed. The lights went out in high-traffic tunnels. Residents on assistive medical devices were told to evacuate. PG&E owns these power lines and is supposed to trim the trees around them and keep its equipment in working order, but it has failed to keep up with these duties for decades. A number of factors, including climate change and patterns of settlement and development, have conspired to bring California to this point. But season after season, after the flames are out and the damage is tallied, Californians all too often learn that the fire started with a PG&E line https://slate.com/business/2019/10/c...-hopeless.html
You might want to provide that information as an update in the next conference call
 
Old 09-22-2020, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy View Post
I don't see a map but the reality is this:
You have to buy a physical map, not some nonsense online. Once you have that physical map in your hands, you will then see the reality.
 
Old 09-22-2020, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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One little problem with your 'theory', in California the government does not shut power down - utility companies do, most of them privately owned for-profit companies whose negligence has caused a huge amount of damage.
You don't think the state government or other levels of government, all Democrat, put pressure on the utility companies to do the black outs? Utilities are quasi public and often operate in conjunction with government even though the have stock and are "for profit".
 
Old 09-22-2020, 09:02 AM
 
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You don't think the state government or other levels of government, all Democrat, put pressure on the utility companies to do the black outs? Utilities are quasi public and often operate in conjunction with government even though the have stock and are "for profit".
Do you have any evidence that the state government of other levels of government put pressure on the utility companies? I would point out, as well, that there are Republican areas in California. Orange County, for instance. So your assertion, "all Democrat", is erroneous.
 
Old 09-22-2020, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Beavercreek, OR
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Like it or not, the increase in wildfires is directly connected to climate change. The problem is that we have not yet adapted to the new equilibrium. Climate change is not going away for several generations at least. We will need to make major changes, both in our policies and in our thinking. If there is "mismanagement", it is in not being ready for the rate of change.
and wildfires and volcanoes do more damage than simply driving a car, and the heat BARELY changes here. that climate change joke is gettin old.

in fact, this year had the lowest high here in clackamas county since 2016
 
Old 09-22-2020, 09:13 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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Originally Posted by green_mariner View Post
California has been getting wildfires going back generations. Political party has nothing to do with it. It's the state's geography.
No they didn’t, I live here for 45 years. It’s getting worse only recently.
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