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Old 09-21-2020, 10:47 PM
 
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No, and anyone who advocates such a policy should be offered an all-expenses-paid trip to Taliban-controlled territory in Afghanistan, where they can experience what it's like to be forced to wear a burka (if female) or grow a bushy beard (if male).
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/13/joe-...ronavirus.html

Biden is a fan of a policy for a nationwide mask mandate.
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Old 09-22-2020, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Inside the 101
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/13/joe-...ronavirus.html

Biden is a fan of a policy for a nationwide mask mandate.
Biden has not proposed a permanent or recurring mandate, but like many state, county, and local leaders of both parties, he has failed to define an exit strategy. I believe that wearing a mask during the pandemic is a smart and altruistic act, and I was voluntarily wearing one in many public places before our local mandate was enacted. Nevertheless, I continue to be troubled by the indefinite nature of these mandates, particularly when I hear people spouting nonsense like "Everyone wears a mask in Asia." (No, everyone there does not.) or "We should do this every flu season." (You can do that if you want, but I won't.)

A mask mandate at the national level seems like public health theater when the vast majority of the nation's population is already under some sort of state or local order. Nevertheless, any mask mandate at any level of government should have either of the following features:

1) A 90-day sunset date. That doesn't mean I naively expect the pandemic to be over in 90 days. What it means, however, is that decision makers must take a look at public health data and guidance every three months and make an informed decision to renew or rescind. In all likelihood, a mandate will have to be renewed several times, but that extra work is worthwhile if it prevents eternal mask mandates from becoming the "new normal" (a truly awful phrase) through inertia.

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2) Clearly defined criteria for automatic repeal. This can't be something vague like "When we have a vaccine" because no one knows when one will exist, how effective it will be, or how many people will receive it. Instead, it has to be something specific and measurable along the lines of "When measurement X goes below threshold Y and stays there for Z days."

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Old 09-22-2020, 07:21 AM
 
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Biden has not proposed a permanent or recurring mandate, but like many state, county, and local leaders of both parties, he has failed to define an exit strategy. I believe that wearing a mask during the pandemic is a smart and altruistic act, and I was voluntarily wearing one in many public places before our local mandate was enacted. Nevertheless, I continue to be troubled by the indefinite nature of these mandates, particularly when I hear people spouting nonsense like "Everyone wears a mask in Asia." (No, everyone there does not.) or "We should do this every flu season." (You can do that if you want, but I won't.)

A mask mandate at the national level seems like public health theater when the vast majority of the nation's population is already under some sort of state or local order. Nevertheless, any mask mandate at any level of government should have either of the following features:

1) A 90-day sunset date. That doesn't mean I naively expect the pandemic to be over in 90 days. What it means, however, is that decision makers must take a look at public health data and guidance every three months and make an informed decision to renew or rescind. In a likelihood, a mandate will have to be renewed several times, but that extra work is worthwhile if it prevents eternal mask mandates from becoming the "new normal" (a truly awful phrase) through inertia.

or

2) Clearly defined criteria for automatic repeal. This can't be something vague like "When we have a vaccine" because no one knows when one will exist, how effective it will be, or how many people will receive it. Instead, it has to be something specific and measurable along the lines of "When measurement X goes below threshold Y and stays there for Z days."
https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/bide...onths-72357754

He says it's part of our patriotic duty.
Yet you stated anyone who would support such a policy deserves a trip to Afghanistan.

When all this mess hit, I lived in a state that pushed people to stay home. Even now Inslee's crazy is showing and it's not pretty. The reality is that there is not really going to be anything to help our nation get over it. Like the flu and other illnesses, COVID19 is here to stay.
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Old 09-22-2020, 07:31 AM
 
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Yet you stated anyone who would support such a policy deserves a trip to Afghanistan.
Partying with the Taliban is a privilege I reserve only for those who advocate a mask mandate on a permanent or eternally recurring basis. If I could ask Biden one question, it would be what is the exit strategy?

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Old 09-22-2020, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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It's all been for show anyway, especially when they say these types of mask are OK. It is a way for government to demonstrate their control over people, same with the limits on indoor customers in businesses. The small businessman is getting killed.
Scientific studies have said that masks did not work. That is the most likely reason that they didn't bring out the mandates UNTIL the cases started to drop off - milking the pandemic and federal funding coffers. With socialism isn't it the goal to extinguish private businesses? So, first eliminate the small businesses, and then go for the larger ones the next time they release a virus. Plandemic: https://ise.media/video/plandemic-ii...nation-23.html Also necessary to move the One World Government forward is bankrupting the country, so what other than a "plandemic" does this whole thing look like?

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Wear (or dont) what you think is best for you
Most are doing this now. For some, they have learned the facts, and for others clinging to their masks, they have dropped to their knees for MSM.

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Just priming us for Nov 3. Please go to the polls . Don’t fall for the mail in vote scam.
They are trying so hard to milk this in our Democratic county. Cases start to drop, and they are giving free tests to people without symptoms, and they upping the contact tracing, publishing the clusters and rather than headlining with the number of current cases, they use the county total since March. The Public Health Officer was so busy snooping constantly around the small businesses in town that she forgot about the nursing homes, so guess what drove the total deaths here?

People are waking up, and taking back "normal" one person at a time.
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Old 09-22-2020, 09:06 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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What in the hell is going on at the CDC? They've now retracted their earlier statement with this lame excuse:
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"A draft version of proposed changes to these recommendations was posted in error to the agency's official website."
CDC abruptly removes guidance about airborne coronavirus transmission, says update 'was posted in error' - CNN
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Old 09-22-2020, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Biden has not proposed a permanent or recurring mandate, but like many state, county, and local leaders of both parties, he has failed to define an exit strategy.
The changing nature of what we know about this virus doesn't exactly lend itself to an exit strategy.

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Nevertheless, any mask mandate at any level of government should have either of the following features:

1) A 90-day sunset date. That doesn't mean I naively expect the pandemic to be over in 90 days. What it means, however, is that decision makers must take a look at public health data and guidance every three months and make an informed decision to renew or rescind.
So the anti-maskers can whine and moan about "muh rights!"? Better to have mask requirements be indefinite.

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Instead, it has to be something specific and measurable along the lines of "When measurement X goes below threshold Y and stays there for Z days."
Pennsylvania, for one, did have those specific, measurable guidelines in place - and then ignored them.

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Scientific studies have said that masks did not work. That is the most likely reason that they didn't bring out the mandates UNTIL the cases started to drop off
I've had to wear a mask in public since early April - where have you been?

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milking the pandemic and federal funding coffers.
How does that work, exactly? I wear a mask, and "they" milk ... what?

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For some, they have learned the facts, and for others clinging to their masks, they have dropped to their knees for MSM.


That's some paranoia there.
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Old 09-22-2020, 09:20 AM
 
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Masks are not doing anything except making everyone look foolish walking around stores like masquerade part invitees. Good luck on that vaccine. You are going to need it.
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Old 09-22-2020, 09:41 AM
 
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Masks are not doing anything except making everyone look foolish walking around stores like masquerade part invitees. Good luck on that vaccine. You are going to need it.
There have been several studies out there, if you care to read them, that show that mask have been pretty effective in certain situations (Starbucks infection, bus infection, airline infections in March versus airline infections now).

The masks do contain they heavier droplets that come out with a cough, sneeze, or talking.

But the data is correct in that a mask (with the exception of an N95 respirator) cannot contain an aerosol which is about as close to "air" as you can get and still be considered a particle.

That does not mean that this is a binary situation: on/off; black/white; yes/no; mask work/masks don't work. There is something in the middle or something close to perfect.

Believe what you will, I think I'll continue to wear my silly mask and if I can block 80% of the viral load, I'll be the better for it.
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Old 09-22-2020, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Masks are not doing anything except making everyone look foolish walking around stores like masquerade part invitees. Good luck on that vaccine. You are going to need it.
Viruses mutate. A vaccine is no panacea. That's will be the tactic to extend these restrictions even after the vaccine comes out.
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