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"[Under Florida law] it’s a third-degree felony for someone to either directly or indirectly provide something of value to impact whether or not someone votes," Gaetz explained. "So the question is whether or not paying off someone’s fines and legal obligations counts as something of value, and it clearly does.
"Normally, it would be very difficult to prove that that was directly linked to impacting whether or not someone was going to vote. But they literally wrote their own admission."
“We know to win Florida we will need to persuade, motivate and add new votes to the Biden column. This means we need to explore all avenues for finding the needed votes when so many votes are already determined.”
The last bolded statement is just the starting point. From there I am sure they will look at who actually had their fines paid by Bloomberg. If there is a pattern of seeking out and paying the fines of only/mostly former felons who registered as Democrats or NPA, Bloomberg will have a problem. Of course, there is still time for him to correct his course and distribute equally.
I'm not sure how effective this program will be in the end. I wouldn't put it past most convicted felons to register to vote and apply to have their fines paid without bothering to follow through and vote for anyone at all. Bloomberg is relying completely on the honor and integrity of convicted felons who say they plan to vote and I'm going to guess that many of them come up short in those areas.
Bloomberg isn't trying to influence how these individuals vote. He's just contributing to a fund that will pay their fines so they can vote if they want to.
This is so easily understood that you’d think these right winger types would easily get it.
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^^^^^^^
Comedy gold!
Glad you could laugh.
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LOL! Delusional much?
Wow. Yeah, Bloomberg spends hundreds of millions of dollars or billions just so he can be a nice guy.
When did conservatives start caring about how billionaires spend their money?
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I respectfully disagree. Money is a HUGE motivator and influencer in this world, for good or bad.
Bloomberg is a snake in the grass, just as Soros is. Two peas in a pod.
Oh yeah. You’re now fed up with money’s influence? LMAO!
Why didn’t you right wingers care about the influence of money in Citizens United? Corporations are people, remember?
You can malign the people on this forum all you want !!!
The AG of Florida Ashley Moody does have a law degree and is in position to use it for the benefit of all concerned !!!
This isn't a court room but most people know there are lawyers arguing cases before a judge in a court room and they have different opinions !!! So who is the expert and who/what is a judge ?
There are a lot of people on the left that keep saying we need to have these uncomfortable conversations but the left seems to want to shut it down when they hear opinions different from their own !!!
Why is that ?
I think we need to have these conversations. I find these conversations very informative, whether I agree with a poster's perspective or not. Everyone has a unique viewpoint to contribute, and there's so much information (and disinformation) that needs to be brought out.
Where did Florida voters say that felons have to pay their own fines, court costs, restitution (which the state of Florida seems to be unable to determine the total a felon owes)? If family members paid the fines, would that be wrong?
It is in the language of the referendum,
"No. 4 Constitutional Amendment Article VI, Section 4. Voting Restoration Amendment This amendment restores the voting rights of Floridians with felony convictions after they complete all terms of their sentence including parole or probation. The amendment would not apply to those convicted of murder or sexual offenses, who would continue to be permanently barred from voting unless the Governor and Cabinet vote to restore their voting rights on a case by case basis."
It says "all terms of their sentencing", sentencing means,
"The term sentence in law refers to punishment that was actually ordered or could be ordered by a trial court in a criminal procedure.[1] A sentence forms the final explicit act of a judge-ruled process as well as the symbolic principal act connected to their function. The sentence can generally involve a decree of imprisonment, a fine, and/or punishments against a defendant convicted of a crime."
In which "fines" and "punishments" are part of the sentencing.
When I voted "yes", I voted that way understanding the felon completes their sentencing, that means pay any money owed as well.
Because Bloomberg raised money in conjunction with Florida Rights Restoration Coalition. The Florida Rights Restoration Coalition will identify who and how much. Bloomberg will have nothing to do with the distribution of the moneys, and the FRRC is on the record of asserting that they will be paying fines, debts and restitution without regard to political party of the recipients. There is nothing to tie Bloomberg to any criminality. Contributing to the FRRC is not illegal.
Yes, I get that !!!
I also get that its still problematic for Bloomberg due to his stated intent through a spokesperson !!! So he has wiggle room !!!
It doesn't mater who he gave it to or what they do with it !!!
Thing of value - to persuade or entice a vote
Moody said the memo raised concerns.
"When you look at the memo and what was alleged, when you hear words like we need to get this done, investing money to targeted particular group of voters that may be predisposed to vote a certain way, that raises concerns that you are directly influencing or even indirectly giving money to persuade votes to go a certain way," Moody told "Fox & Friends."
"No. 4 Constitutional Amendment Article VI, Section 4. Voting Restoration Amendment This amendment restores the voting rights of Floridians with felony convictions after they complete all terms of their sentence including parole or probation. The amendment would not apply to those convicted of murder or sexual offenses, who would continue to be permanently barred from voting unless the Governor and Cabinet vote to restore their voting rights on a case by case basis."
It says "all terms of their sentencing", sentencing means,
"The term sentence in law refers to punishment that was actually ordered or could be ordered by a trial court in a criminal procedure.[1] A sentence forms the final explicit act of a judge-ruled process as well as the symbolic principal act connected to their function. The sentence can generally involve a decree of imprisonment, a fine, and/or punishments against a defendant convicted of a crime."
In which "fines" and "punishments" are part of the sentencing.
When I voted "yes", I voted that way understanding the felon completes their sentencing, that means pay any money owed as well.
Then why did Florida have to pass a law clarifying that????
I also get that its still problematic for Bloomberg due to his stated intent through a spokesperson !!! So he has wiggle room !!!
It doesn't mater who he gave it to or what they do with it !!!
Thing of value -
Moody said the memo raised concerns.
"When you look at the memo and what was alleged, when you hear words like we need to get this done, investing money to targeted particular group of voters that may be predisposed to vote a certain way, that raises concerns that you are directly influencing or even indirectly giving money to persuade votes to go a certain way," Moody told "Fox & Friends."
He gives money to the FRRC, because they are raising funds to pay felons' debts. The FRRC distributes the money. Your position is that billionaires cannot give money to charities with political agendas. That's absurd. Please tell the Koch brothers immediately.
You can malign the people on this forum all you want !!!
The AG of Florida Ashley Moody does have a law degree and is in position to use it for the benefit of all concerned !!!
This isn't a court room but most people know there are lawyers arguing cases before a judge in a court room and they have different opinions !!! So who is the expert and who/what is a judge ?
There are a lot of people on the left that keep saying we need to have these uncomfortable conversations but the left seems to want to shut it down when they hear opinions different from their own !!!
Why is that ?
There's a difference between writing, 'In my opinion' or 'I don't think/believe' and making emphatic claims with a lot of exclamation points as though one is a seasoned attorney.
I posted a link to a renowned attorney that our own government calls upon for his expert advice and was TOLD that it was wrong.
He gives money to the FRRC, because they are raising funds to pay felons' debts. The FRRC distributes the money. Your position is that billionaires cannot give money to charities with political agendas. That's absurd. Please tell the Koch brothers immediately.
No That's not my position !!!
My position is Blooming Idiot laid out the reason he was giving the money and that is his intent and that made what he was doing illegal !!!
I don't know if its possible but if I was a states attorney I would seek to freeze the money from Bloomberg until the investigation was concluded !!! Money should not be used or transferred for an illegal purpose !!!
He could be considered for additional charges if he transferred funds for an illegal purpose !!!
I say let the investigation run its course and hopefully Bloomberg and others involved will cooperate and agree to be interviewed !!!
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