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Old 09-23-2020, 05:21 AM
 
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You realize we're not the only country that locked down air travel, right? And that companies are deciding not to send employees on business trips?
Should airlines get bailed out?
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Old 09-23-2020, 05:22 AM
 
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I’ve flown a bunch of times since this pandemic started for work purposes. I even did an international trip too.

Did I catch Covid? Nope.
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Old 09-23-2020, 05:29 AM
 
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Should airlines get bailed out?
I don't know - would need to see analysis of the options. If senior lenders end up owning the airlines and everyone else down the cap structure gets wiped out, that might be fine. But if the job losses exacerbate the recession and adds years to the recovery, maybe it makes sense for the government to do something.
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Old 09-23-2020, 05:36 AM
 
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I’ve flown a bunch of times since this pandemic started for work purposes. I even did an international trip too.

Did I catch Covid? Nope.
Did you fly inside the luggage ?
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Old 09-23-2020, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I don't know - would need to see analysis of the options. If senior lenders end up owning the airlines and everyone else down the cap structure gets wiped out, that might be fine. But if the job losses exacerbate the recession and adds years to the recovery, maybe it makes sense for the government to do something.
I agree with this. The problem is, politicians aren't good at doing analysis. Politicians work on emotions and how many votes they think they are going to get in the next election.
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Old 09-23-2020, 06:04 AM
 
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I agree with this. The problem is, politicians aren't good at doing analysis. Politicians work on emotions and how many votes they think they are going to get in the next election.
I think it starts with voters to be honest. Politicians play on emotions because voters on both sides of the aisle respond to them.
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Old 09-23-2020, 06:08 AM
 
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I don't know - would need to see analysis of the options. If senior lenders end up owning the airlines and everyone else down the cap structure gets wiped out, that might be fine. But if the job losses exacerbate the recession and adds years to the recovery, maybe it makes sense for the government to do something.
And, why, exactly, govt need to do anything? We live in a "glorious" system of capitalism. Let the competition decide. The weakest die, the strongest survive. If airlines can't survive, then it's ok. Job losses? Still ok - let the jobless retrain for something else. That was the motto in every other case, why airlines should be any different? Capitalism, remember?
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Old 09-23-2020, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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And, why, exactly, govt need to do anything? We live in a "glorious" system of capitalism. Let the competition decide. The weakest die, the strongest survive. If airlines can't survive, then it's ok. Job losses? Still ok - let the jobless retrain for something else. That was the motto in every other case, why airlines should be any different? Capitalism, remember?
Under ordinary circumstances, absolutely. Survivial of the fittest. As Gordon Gekko said in "Wall Street"....in my book you either do it right, or you get eliminated.

But here, the government forced the lockdowns. The government stepped in, you might say overreached (I certainly would), and caused the entire mess. Therefore they have responsibility to help get the mess cleaned up.
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Old 09-23-2020, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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If everyone else jumped out a 10 floor window, would you?

Yes I'm well aware of those items.

The shutdown was supposed to be for 15 days to flatten the curve, remember?
The Media and Democrats (same thing) turned a two week, flatten the curve, temporary lock down into a now seven month and counting "new normal" of oppression and economic destruction. It is criminal and tyrannical. This is not a true pandemic.
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Old 09-23-2020, 06:49 AM
 
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Under ordinary circumstances, absolutely. Survivial of the fittest. As Gordon Gekko said in "Wall Street"....in my book you either do it right, or you get eliminated.

But here, the government forced the lockdowns. The government stepped in, you might say overreached (I certainly would), and caused the entire mess. Therefore they have responsibility to help get the mess cleaned up.
Nope. Govt didn't shut down airlines. If people decided to avoid flying - well, that's part of the risk business takes on. Let the market decide.
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