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You can't just go out with a gun in your hands, hear a (alleged) shot fired, then start shooting at people claiming your life was in danger.
You don't even know the facts. A shot was almost certainly fired as seen in the footage complete with muzzle flash. Not really relevant anyway. If you subdue an armed person, you are now armed. Police are routinely killed with their own weapon.
Doesn't matter -- if anybody thinks it is a good, wise thing for a young boy who is untrained to be used as a vigilante to try and keep law and order.....they need their freak'n head examined.
He should never have put himself in that position.
His mother should never have allowed him to put himself in that situation.
It is beyond sad.
It still striking to me that people will condemn Rittenhouse for engaging in self-defense, but not condemn the mobs who came in to destroy other people's property and livelihoods.
An intelligent and fair minded person attacks the arguments someone makes rather than who is making them.
Unfortunately you are indirectly right, too often these days people are interested neither in being intelligent or fair minded and that has made poison the well tactics FAR too common. However common, I still reject them.
If you have a problem with an argument from a source, express your counter argument, but just saying "I don't have to listen based on who is speaking" is not something anyone should take seriously.
The dumbest person can be absolutely right just as the most qualified person can be wrong. That's why we attack arguments instead of people.
An intelligent and fair minded person is only going to catch someone lying a limited number of times before they stop listening to them regardless of what they have to say.
That's a great purpose for judging the source. Why would I bother reading MSNBC or Fox News? They're both junk. There are better options that present more truthful reporting.
It's not ad hominem to react fairly (dismissing articles entirely) to someone else's well-established habit (articles full of lies).
If Media A reports on something and they're positively reputable, great. If Media B reports on the same thing and is negatively reputable, why would you read it when you can read A instead?
If we were to say that Media B is a poor journalistic source because of their established habits then that is not ad hominem.
It's not ad hominem to call a spade a spade. Ad hominem is attacking the messenger outside of the context of the argument.
Whether or not a news agency is reliable is entirely within the context of the argument against giving them the time of day.
It's not ad hominem to call a spade a spade. Ad hominem is attacking the messenger outside of the context of the argument.
Whether or not a news agency is reliable is entirely within the context of the argument against giving them the time of day.
Nuances will matter if you're going to chastise someone on formal logic.
1. "Source X has poor reputation. Therefore I refuse to watch X on any news report concerning topic Y."
2. "Source X has poor reputation. Therefore any argument given by X on topic Y is unsound/biased/misleading."
The first isn't a logical fallacy, as you correctly point out. The second is the ad hominem fallacy.
Which category do you think the following statement falls into?
Quote:
Originally Posted by hooligan
From the "About" page of #FightBack:
...The left has spied on, harassed, and smeared President Trump and his officials with illegal actions and fake news. The Trump Russia conspiracy theories were based on lies and hysteria in response we fight back to protect individual rights by supporting lawsuits and other actions that address discrimination against conservatives...
Hard pass on them having any sort of un-biased legal opinion on those shootings.
Is our friend refusing to watch the source because he knows it has a history of falsehoods, or based on its partisanship alone?
It still striking to me that people will condemn Rittenhouse for engaging in self-defense, but not condemn the mobs who came in to destroy other people's property and livelihoods.
The young man wasn't acting in self defense. You don't suit up with a gun and enter a hostile environment to engage in self defense.
And if they can find the person who shot him first ....by all means that person should be charged.
That's not the point.
A society that is embracing this young man as a hero -- is a sick one.
The prosecuting office here went straight to capital murder in this case without enough thought. Their only motive is to pander to BLM, (even though the "victims" were White) but they are also trying to placate the radical al left.
Murder 1? Really? It doesn't work. Rittenhouse went there armed but it was NOT his plan and intent to kill anyone. The rifle was for self protection. He did not fire his weapon until he was attacked by members of a violent mob.
Who were armed themselves. People that want to see this kid swing for what happened have lost their minds. They are just pushing their far leftist agenda and crying about gun laws when it was armed and violent leftist rioters that started the whole thing.
So when this kid is acquitted we'll see them pushing for more violent armed riots ...oh I mean "peaceful protest". (sigh) the fun never ends.....
And with a camera and no reason to believe he is a biased observer.
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