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View Poll Results: Should the Self-Proclaimed Party of Science look at Crime Per Capita
YES, it is vital to knowing if there is truly systemic racism in the police 53 92.98%
NO, these statistics are racist and must be silenced 4 7.02%
Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-01-2020, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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The fact/myth that black people commit more crimes than white or Asians or even Hispanics is the BIG elephant in the room when it comes to the Democrats trying to explain Police brutality on systemic racism.


It is so basic. If there is more crime in certain neighborhoods the Police will patrol that neighborhood more often. They will be called to that area more often and witness more crimes. The Police know what that kid on the corner is doing hanging out there all day long, he is selling drugs. They know who is in the gangs and who is not. They know who is up to no good.



I used to work a job that brought me to nice towns and then some really disgusting places where crime was rampant. I could never understand how people, black people, hated each other so much that they would rob, rape and murder their own. It is a real shame but black people really are their own worse enemies and it has nothing to do with the Police but when the Police get involved it is often not pretty.



The biggest elephant in the room is that more stupid white guys are shot by Police than stupid black guys yet it is the black ones that incite the riots? The media and the Democrats are to blame for hyping the race wars. If they really cared about black people why didn't Obama and Biden do more for them in the 8 years they had? Could it be that Obama was racist against his own people? We know Biden is racist from his record.
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Old 10-01-2020, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Japan
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FBI: the Murder Offender Ratio for Blacks to Nonblacks Is Greater Than the Ratio for Males to Females
According to recently released FBI crime data for 2019, an extraordinary statistic is that men were 7.6 times as likely to be murder offenders as women, but blacks were 8.2 times as likely to be murder offenders as nonblacks
https://www.unz.com/isteve/fbi-murde...males-females/
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Old 10-01-2020, 11:39 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Are police ageist against young adults?
It looks to me like police are crime-ist against people who commit crimes.
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Old 10-02-2020, 12:04 AM
 
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The fact/myth that black people commit more crimes than white or Asians or even Hispanics is the BIG elephant in the room when it comes to the Democrats trying to explain Police brutality on systemic racism.


It is so basic. If there is more crime in certain neighborhoods the Police will patrol that neighborhood more often. They will be called to that area more often and witness more crimes. The Police know what that kid on the corner is doing hanging out there all day long, he is selling drugs. They know who is in the gangs and who is not. They know who is up to no good.



I used to work a job that brought me to nice towns and then some really disgusting places where crime was rampant. I could never understand how people, black people, hated each other so much that they would rob, rape and murder their own. It is a real shame but black people really are their own worse enemies and it has nothing to do with the Police but when the Police get involved it is often not pretty.



The biggest elephant in the room is that more stupid white guys are shot by Police than stupid black guys yet it is the black ones that incite the riots? The media and the Democrats are to blame for hyping the race wars. If they really cared about black people why didn't Obama and Biden do more for them in the 8 years they had? Could it be that Obama was racist against his own people? We know Biden is racist from his record.
you can’t understand why blacks hate each other that they rob their own? Well then I guess you can when white people do.

I think your understanding of police is basic and simplistic. the crime rate in poor urban neighborhoods will always be usually be higher than upper income areas. Lots of places where drugs are sold that police don’t go. College campuses, corporate offices, workplaces which vary, small towns and places unheard of. The problem is “drugs” are associated with a certain image.

I had friends tell me drugs are sold in white neighborhoods but police don’t bother going there.
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Old 10-02-2020, 12:13 AM
 
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Liberals/dems refuse to admit that blacks commit 60% of the crime in the US and thus come into contact with the police far more often than others.

The above is a simple fact. Denial of that fact will never allow any measures to correct the problem. the dems have attributed this statistic to "racism", not the fact that blacks just commit a lot of crime.

Given the incorrect diagnosis, the dem "solution" will always be incorrect. The solution involves correcting the factors that lead to the violent black culture, not pursuit of an invisible "boogyman" of "systemic racism".
But here’s the problem with your argument.

Statistics have shown, crime has declined exponentially over the past years. And even as crime was on the decline, incarceration was still increasing dramatically, but nonetheless still didn’t solve the crime or drug problems which still persisted.

It’s a complex issue which go beyond the surface and is more than systemic racism, while a factor still doesn’t attribute any easy solutions. There is racism in part, but there is a certainly problem that is SYSTEMIC.
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Old 10-02-2020, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Japan
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But here’s the problem with your argument.

Statistics have shown, crime has declined exponentially over the past years.
Exponentially!

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And even as crime was on the decline, incarceration was still increasing dramatically, but nonetheless still didn’t solve the crime or drug problems which still persisted.

It’s a complex issue...
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Old 10-02-2020, 01:28 AM
 
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Uh, in what legal system is race considered probable cause?
That is what you got from his statement?
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Old 10-02-2020, 04:06 AM
 
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And don't be surprised if many believe they should be charged for shooting willy-nilly into the dark with no idea of who/what they're shooting at.
Returning fire in the direction of a muzzle flash in the dark is a reasonable self preservation action !!!
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Old 10-02-2020, 04:48 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Sure. Everyone has the right to defend their homes. Nobody is arguing that. When that someone is the police executing a search warrant and you shoot at them, don’t be surprised if they shoot back.


Spraying an entire area with bullets, not knowing who/what you're shooting at, is hardly 'shooting back'.
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Old 10-02-2020, 07:10 AM
 
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Statistics have shown, crime has declined exponentially over the past years. And even as crime was on the decline, incarceration was still increasing dramatically, but nonetheless still didn’t solve the crime or drug problems which still persisted.
You don't know why locking up more criminals since the mid 1990s has led to reduced crime?

So less criminals on the streets equals less crime on the streets is too complex of an issue for the "party of science?"




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The fact/myth that black people commit more crimes than white or Asians or even Hispanics is the BIG elephant in the room when it comes to the Democrats trying to explain Police brutality on systemic racism.
It is a fact that blacks disproportionately commit more crime and here is the key also resist arrest and refuse to comply with police orders at significantly higher rates than other races.


The Democrats are for a fact anti-science on this issue. They kick out the scientific method when their fascist tendencies kick in, at which point they seek to ruin lives of those who want to talk facts, statistics, and logic.


(1) The Gap between men and women in regards to police stops and bad police outcomes is bigger than the gap between whites and blacks.

Why?

A, Is there systemic sexism within the police force against men that is far bigger than the supposed systemic racism against blacks?

Or

B, Do men just commit more crimes so they get stopped more and then when they get stopped more they are more likely to resist arrest and refuse to comply with police orders, which leads to increased odds for bad outcomes?


(2) The gap between young adults and old adults in regards to police stops and bad police outcomes is bigger than the gap between whites and blacks.

Why?

A, Is there systemic ageism within the police force against young adults that is far bigger than the supposed systemic racism against blacks?

Or

B, Do young adults just commit more crimes so they get stopped more and then when they get stopped more they are more likely to resist arrest and refuse to comply with police orders, which leads to increased odds for bad outcomes?




Hmmm....

Is it possible that blacks disproportionately commit more crime, disproportionately more likely to live in crime infested neighborhoods so that they get stopped more and then when once stopped they are significantly more likely to resist arrest and refuse to comply with police orders.
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