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View Poll Results: Do you support Obamacare being overturned by the SC?
Yes it should be overturned 94 47.47%
No it should not 69 34.85%
Only parts of it should be overturned keep preexisting condition protections. 35 17.68%
Voters: 198. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-29-2020, 06:38 AM
 
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Just as a reminder... California, the 5th largest economy in the world, failed to implement single-payer public health care for Californians because they couldn't afford to fund it:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/24/cali...ommentary.html
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Old 09-29-2020, 06:57 AM
 
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Repeal everything but pre-existing conditions. People are laid off and move jobs too much as professionals to not be covered for pre existing conditions. The insurance companies are still making money, so they will be fine.
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Old 09-29-2020, 06:59 AM
 
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Just as a reminder... California, the 5th largest economy in the world, failed to implement single-payer public health care for Californians because they couldn't afford to fund it:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/24/cali...ommentary.html
The tax structure would have to completely change from what it is today. The nearly 50% of households that pay ZERO federal income tax would have to start contributing 30% of their income. How well do you think that would go over? Despite what the left would have us all believe, the wealthy alone don't earn enough to fund all of their projects.
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:29 AM
 
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The tax structure would have to completely change from what it is today. The nearly 50% of households that pay ZERO federal income tax would have to start contributing 30% of their income. How well do you think that would go over? Despite what the left would have us all believe, the wealthy alone don't earn enough to fund all of their projects.
You are 100% correct. For those who doubt it, read and learn about how European countries tax their populations to generate enough tax revenue to fund national health care and other social program benefits. Unlike the US, they tax regressively:

How Other Developed Countries Tax and Spend (Includes links to the source and research ,which includes many more research citations).

Also interesting to note... Compare tax revenue as a percentage of GDP, by country, in Figure 8 at the following link. The fact that the US collects insufficient tax revenue from a large percentage of the population (the bottom 90% are paying less than their fair share) means there's inadequate tax revenue to fund the left's social program wishes. Figures 2 and 7 in this report are interesting, too, though the entire report is good info to know:

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45145.pdf
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:54 AM
 
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No replacement is needed. Insurance and healthcare are not government responsibilities. Leave it to the private sector and the free market.
So should we also eliminate Medicare, Medicaid and the VA healthcare system?
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:20 AM
 
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So should we also eliminate Medicare, Medicaid and the VA healthcare system?
Medicare and VA health benefits are prepaid and/or earned, so no. One must pay Medicare taxes to be eligible for Medicare benefits. Those in the VA healthcare system have earned that benefit by honorably serving our country in the armed forces (as opposed to dishonorable discharge).

Medicaid? Yes, I'm all for eliminating Medicaid. Those on Medicaid never had to earn those benefits or pay even one thin dime in taxes to receive Medicaid benefits. That's obviously mathematically unsustainable.
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Old 11-13-2020, 10:21 AM
 
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Odd no replies since the Court heard the case.



I found this exchange instructive between Chief Justice Roberts and one of the attorneys for the states:



"I think it's hard for you to argue that Congress intended the entire act to fall if the mandate was struck down when the same Congress that lowered the penalty to zero did not even try to repeal the rest of the act," Roberts said to Hawkins. "I think frankly, they wanted the court to do that. But that's not our job."


https://www.usnews.com/news/national...are-will-stand


The Trump Administration and the Red States were literally asking the Court to legislate from the bench. I thought we were against that?


To be clear: a Republican controlled Congress and White House failed to overturn the ACA, so they asked the Court to do so.



I bet the Court declines to do so.
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