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So you too, like Finn, think California was going to fund single-payer public health care for the entire nation? Do you two even think before you post?
Neither of us said that. That idea was hatched in your head, not ours, and I already explained why it doesn't make any sense.
Neither of us said that. That idea was hatched in your head, not ours, and I already explained why it doesn't make any sense.
Then why did you post about national health care costs when I posted specifically about California and their failed attempt to implement single-payer public health care?
Just to remind everyone... California is the 5th largest economy in the world and even they couldn't afford to fund single-payer public health care.
Then why did you post about national health care costs when I posted specifically about California and their failed attempt to implement single-payer public health care?
Just to remind everyone... California is the 5th largest economy in the world and even they couldn't afford to fund single-payer public health care.
Dear Looper,
Please open open a thread about health care, as opposed to trying to derail this thread with such nonsense.
Not to mention some of the wealthiest cities on the planet. San Francisco metro area is #1 in Per Capita income among metro areas of over 1 million total population. Yes, higher even than New York and Washington, DC.
San Francisco, Seattle, Austin, Raleigh-Durham, Boston. (all have well-established reputations for liberalism)
Washington DC, Denver, Orlando, Dallas-Ft Worth, and Houston also do well. (First three are liberal, and even the last two I'd be hard pressed to call conservative these days).
IT attracts young people. It's not an old man's game. And young people tend to vote liberal because they want to have a CAUSE to get behind.
And yes, real estate prices tend to increase where there is demand, and where people have money. And IT jobs pay well.
Please open open a thread about health care, as opposed to trying to derail this thread with such nonsense.
The truth hurts, huh?
Even California, the 5th largest economy in the world, admitted they couldn't afford to fund single-payer public health care. I'd say the fact that they somehow thought they could is a prime example of liberals' stupidity, which by the way... is the topic of this thread.
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If society ever collapsed, the heartland rural parts of the country would survive while everyone in the city would die quickly.
You would quickly learn who needs whom MORE at a base level.
"Hand that feeds you," indeed!
If society ever collapsed..........
Well, I guess then the farmers would have to find someone else to pay their subsidies.If society ever collapsed..........
Ahh, AHenriques -- typical "bad-assed" thinking. Play up apocalyptic, survivalist, or otherwise worst cases scenarios; assume that only Mad Max types of personalities would survive (totally ignoring luck); then claim that personality types, judgments, and person-valuing impulses are every bit as fit for a safe, stable, wealthy, high-tech environment as the Mad Max one.
The irony here is that by promoting dog-eat-dog Social Darwinist values and ways of sizing up personal worth, they are promoting the very conditions that lead to societal collapse in the first place! The Stone Age is over. If you want to keep our standard of living, knowledge, technology, and wealth, then start promoting values and attitude most fit for the Digital Age.
"High tech" does not equal intellect. If we could stand Isaac Newton beside a typical millennial code monkey and put them in an intellectual battle of IQ prowess, who do you think would come out on top?
High tech has become something of a "bee hive" approach to intellect. That might have something to do with why so many high-techers are either socialists or outright communists. Intellectualism of the past was much more an individual endeavor. Years of dedication, thought, research, and a library full of books. I much prefer the latter. I prefer a da Vinci or Newton or Descartes to a nameless, faceless think-tank of wokes in Silicon Valley.
IT attracts young people. It's not an old man's game. And young people tend to vote liberal because they want to have a CAUSE to get behind.
And yes, real estate prices tend to increase where there is demand, and where people have money. And IT jobs pay well.
Its not that people leave IT when they get older. They stay. I know plenty of people who retired from IT jobs, and many others who are looking to retire after 30 yrs in the IT industry.
Also, not all of these evil liberal cities are about IT. NYC, for example, generates as much economic output as the nation of Canada or South Korea, and NYC has far less people than those countries.
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That might have something to do with why so many high-techers are either socialists or outright communists.
Who told you that? I never met one during all my years in IT. Me thinks you have been lied to, and you bought it.
If you took the average IQ of everyone who voted Republican and everyone who voted Democrat is there a single person on this board who believes the Democrats would win? If so than why are so many Democrats living in poverty? And so many republicans living in the upper middle class?
The essential tension between liberal and conservative isn't about abortion, taxes or guns, but about traditions and traditional institutions. Conservatives are skeptical of attempts to make revision, warning of disaster if things are poorly thought through. Liberals are skeptical of the status quo, warning that no human construction is perfect, and to venerate something merely because it is established, means stagnation and decline.
But over the the past two decades, these identifications have reversed. The post-WW2 world, the Pax Americana of international corporations rewarding capital and technical skills, is now 75 years old. It is a powerful and venerable institution. To continue it, would be "conservative" - except that now that position is liberal. To reform it, would be "liberal" - except that now, to do so, is conservative.
Great observation.
I went to UC Berkeley in the 60's. People ask.."how can you support President Trump, you went to UC Berkeley"
My answer is "I went to UC Berkeley in the 60's, President Trump is the anti-establishment candidate".
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