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Old 10-06-2020, 03:24 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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Actually it's exactly the opposite. Blue cities and states are the most racially segregated and have the most racially segregated schools with the most extreme racial achievement gaps. Blacks keep voting for that social oppression (Democrats), time after time. Apparently, that's clearly what they want.

More info:

The most segregated schools may not be in the states you’d expect - The Washington Post

And White Democrats in Chicago insisted that Chicago's "Equity Insurance" program be implemented.

Chicago Isn't Just Segregated, It Basically Invented Modern Segregation - Chicago Magazine

VERY important to read the Chicago Magazine article. Much of the info is just simply jaw-dropping. For example, it was White Democrats who in the 1980s insisted the City of Chicago implement "equity insurance" in case they had to sell their homes at a loss because Blacks had moved into the neighborhood and torpedoed property values. The "equity insurance" program is still in place to this day.

The media never mentions it because the City of Chicago equity insurance program benefits White Democrat voters. They're protected from the loss of equity in their homes caused by what they've identified as "minority creep" into their lily White neighborhoods.

More background info on Chicago's "equity insurance" program:

Plan to Insure Chicago Home Value Brings Racial Rift - 1988 - NY Times Archive

1988, the inception of Chicago's "equity insurance" program was fairly recent, not pre-Civil Rights. And, as I said, the "equity insurance" program still exists to this day.

You're right.......but it's apples and oranges.

I'll use Texas as an example for the nation as a whole. Big cities like Dallas and Houston have considerable racial diversity. Black, Latino and white citizens each consist of 20%+ of the population. This is very uncommon in most American cities. You end up with a reasonable degree of racial segregation. These cities aren't nearly as rough as say Milwaukee or Chicago, but the segregation does exist.

Now in the rural counties of Texas, especially if you're NOT down in the Valley near the border........you're dealing with towns that vote 80-90% Republican and have little if any racial segregation. Why? Because everyone in the town is white. If a small town is 90% white, 5% Latino and 4% black and 1% Asian, you won't appear to have any segregated areas because all of the POC will be surrounded by white people. There is no "enclave."

White Flight is not a made up term. When a neighborhood reaches a certain percentage of "non-whiteness", whites generally leave. In Dallas, we've seen some degree of Black Flight...particularly when looking at Dallas ISD. The school district has become increasingly filled with Hispanic students as middle class and upper middle class black families relocate to the southern 'burbs like Duncanville, DeSoto and Cedar Hill or move to northern 'burbs like Allen and Frisco. Areas that started out lily white became mostly black. Then as the Latinos came in, the blacks moved out and now you have whites slowly creeping back in (Oak Cliff). The only thing holding the whites from going in full force are the schools that are heavily Latino...from students to administration and teachers.
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Old 10-06-2020, 03:34 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You're right.......but it's apples and oranges.

I'll use Texas as an example for the nation as a whole. Big cities like Dallas and Houston have considerable racial diversity. Black, Latino and white citizens each consist of 20%+ of the population. This is very uncommon in most American cities. You end up with a reasonable degree of racial segregation. These cities aren't nearly as rough as say Milwaukee or Chicago, but the segregation does exist.

Now in the rural counties of Texas, especially if you're NOT down in the Valley near the border........you're dealing with towns that vote 80-90% Republican and have little if any racial segregation. Why? Because everyone in the town is white. If a small town is 90% white, 5% Latino and 4% black and 1% Asian, you won't appear to have any segregated areas because all of the POC will be surrounded by white people. There is no "enclave."

White Flight is not a made up term. When a neighborhood reaches a certain percentage of "non-whiteness", whites generally leave. In Dallas, we've seen some degree of Black Flight...particularly when looking at Dallas ISD. The school district has become increasingly filled with Hispanic students as middle class and upper middle class black families relocate to the southern 'burbs like Duncanville, DeSoto and Cedar Hill or move to northern 'burbs like Allen and Frisco. Areas that started out lily white became mostly black. Then as the Latinos came in, the blacks moved out and now you have whites slowly creeping back in (Oak Cliff). The only thing holding the whites from going in full force are the schools that are heavily Latino...from students to administration and teachers.
Name any Republican-governed city that has a local government-subsidized home equity insurance program that protects white people from minorities moving into their lily white neighborhoods and tanking their property values like heavily Democrat Chicago has.
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Old 10-06-2020, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Austin
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.... a bulk of the Black Democratic base comes from the middle and upper class.
interesting comment. do you have statistics for black voter income levels regarding who they voted for democrat/republican to back up your statement?

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Old 10-06-2020, 04:34 PM
 
Location: *
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Oh puhleez.

Spare me the keyboard warrior rant. Lots of fury but no action - including the most civic duty, voting.
George Carlin was right:

"One of the more pretentious political self-descriptions is "Libertarian." People think it puts them above the fray. It sounds fashionable, and to the uninitiated, faintly dangerous. Actually, it's just one more bull$#% political philosophy."

Although personally prefer the pretentious bs of 'American styled "anarchists" (nonsensical bs)' to the blatant voter suppression strategies employed by the 'good old boys' in the GOP.
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Old 10-07-2020, 06:17 AM
 
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interesting comment. do you have statistics for black voter income levels regarding who they voted for democrat/republican to back up your statement?
Think about it. If 90 percent of Black voters pick Democrats, and 90 percent of Blacks are not poor, and Blacks have the 2nd highest voter turnout of any group, it should be common sense that a majority of middle class Blacks also vote Democrat. It's a fact that low income voters are less likely to vote than anyone else.

By the way, this article will show you that currently, Biden is doing well among wealthy Black voters and college educated Blacks.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-election-day/
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Old 10-07-2020, 06:33 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Think about it. If 90 percent of Black voters pick Democrats, and 90 percent of Blacks are not poor, and Blacks have the 2nd highest voter turnout of any group, it should be common sense that a majority of middle class Blacks also vote Democrat. It's a fact that low income voters are less likely to vote than anyone else.

By the way, this article will show you that currently, Biden is doing well among wealthy Black voters and college educated Blacks.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-election-day/
Rework the math. The Black poverty rate is 18.8%. 48% earn less than $30,000 (Source: IPUMS). Those are the working poor. Nowhere near 90% of Blacks are not poor.
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Old 10-07-2020, 11:39 AM
 
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You're right.......but it's apples and oranges.

I'll use Texas as an example for the nation as a whole. Big cities like Dallas and Houston have considerable racial diversity. Black, Latino and white citizens each consist of 20%+ of the population. This is very uncommon in most American cities. You end up with a reasonable degree of racial segregation. These cities aren't nearly as rough as say Milwaukee or Chicago, but the segregation does exist.

Now in the rural counties of Texas, especially if you're NOT down in the Valley near the border........you're dealing with towns that vote 80-90% Republican and have little if any racial segregation. Why? Because everyone in the town is white. If a small town is 90% white, 5% Latino and 4% black and 1% Asian, you won't appear to have any segregated areas because all of the POC will be surrounded by white people. There is no "enclave."

White Flight is not a made up term. When a neighborhood reaches a certain percentage of "non-whiteness", whites generally leave. In Dallas, we've seen some degree of Black Flight...particularly when looking at Dallas ISD. The school district has become increasingly filled with Hispanic students as middle class and upper middle class black families relocate to the southern 'burbs like Duncanville, DeSoto and Cedar Hill or move to northern 'burbs like Allen and Frisco. Areas that started out lily white became mostly black. Then as the Latinos came in, the blacks moved out and now you have whites slowly creeping back in (Oak Cliff). The only thing holding the whites from going in full force are the schools that are heavily Latino...from students to administration and teachers.
This will happen anywhere. It's happening in the Atlanta area, St. Louis, etc. In the Atlanta area, a few high schools that were close to 90% White in 2000, are majority Black now.

South Gwinnett High School, Snellville, GA. It was 88.5% White in 2000. It was 53% Black by 2007. It's 74% Black now.
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/GA/s...35/school.aspx

Shiloh High School (also serving Snellville) is 71% Black. Brookwood, however, is 34% White and 28% Black. The interesting thing is that Snellville is about 55% White. Snellville went from 89% White in 2000 to 60% White in 2010. Meanwhile, the Black population rose from 5.4% in 2000 to 30% in 2010.

In the Atlanta area, large numbers of Blacks have been moving to Clayton County, Douglas County, Fayette County, mainly the southern counties of metro Atlanta. Blacks are also moving to southern Cobb County and southern Gwinnett County. Large numbers of Hispanics having been moving to the northern parts of metro Atlanta (north DeKalb, northern Gwinnett, Cherokee County, Hall County).
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Old 10-07-2020, 11:48 AM
 
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Rework the math. The Black poverty rate is 18.8%. 48% earn less than $30,000 (Source: IPUMS). Those are the working poor. Nowhere near 90% of Blacks are not poor.
You might want to figure out how many of those Blacks don't have kids or are combining their incomes with someone else.

https://blackdemographics.com/households/middle-class/

It's more like 32-34% of the Black population being the working poor/below the poverty line. My point is that the majority of Blacks are not below the poverty line. And the Black middle class is still the largest part of the Black population. And the chances of Blacks voting go up the more Blacks make.
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Old 10-07-2020, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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George Carlin was right:

"One of the more pretentious political self-descriptions is "Libertarian." People think it puts them above the fray. It sounds fashionable, and to the uninitiated, faintly dangerous. Actually, it's just one more bull$#% political philosophy."

Although personally prefer the pretentious bs of 'American styled "anarchists" (nonsensical bs)' to the blatant voter suppression strategies employed by the 'good old boys' in the GOP.
Thom Hartmann has a more succinct description of Libertarians - Republicans who like to smoke dope and get laid.
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Old 10-07-2020, 12:31 PM
 
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Here are the stats on blacks that live "below" the poverty line. It doesn't even give the stats of blacks just above the poverty line who are also poor. I imagine those number are also high.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...es--in-the-us/
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