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The MOST annoying thing are losers criminals who don't listen to commands, don't stop their car, try to jump from a moving car, try to crash into a police cruiser, bolt from their car once stopped, forget to mention the weapons in the car, reach for something like a dumb idiot, while inside the car and getting on their cell phone and calling mama, when told to stay off the phone
Then they cry about how they were mistreated. A vast majority of loser criminals DID something to cause the police to react, like say for example: their boyfriend shooting at the cops and they moan that the cops are not being charged.... when it is the LOSER perps who STARTED the whole thing.
I think they need to do more stringent testing before they hire, for one thing. There are a lot of people who were either bullies or bullied as kids and have an axe to grind. Some are racist. Many were former soldiers and I'm not sure they're the best candidates. In fact, I don't think they are.
The skills can be useful, the reaction patterns are not. Sadly, it's easier to train skills than to re-route reflexes.
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More protective equipment. Better training.
Better training, certainly. Not sure there's a lack of protective equipment. Never understood the confrontational approach often seen. I forgot the name of the old caliph who said "Never use your sword when your scourge will do. And never use your scourge, if words are sufficient." It's good advice if you want to stay in power - of a situation or a caliphate.
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There's an abuse of power that doesn't necessarily result in death in all instances. People don't address that when they talk about 'comply or die'.
That, too. A lower-impact instance of the same problem.
The MOST annoying thing are losers criminals who don't listen to commands, don't stop their car, try to jump from a moving car, try to crash into a police cruiser, bolt from their car once stopped, forget to mention the weapons in the car, reach for something like a dumb idiot, while inside the car and getting on their cell phone and calling mama, when told to stay off the phone
Then they cry about how they were mistreated. A vast majority of loser criminals DID something to cause the police to react, like say for example: their boyfriend shooting at the cops and they moan that the cops are not being charged.... when it is the LOSER perps who STARTED the whole thing.
We have heard over and over again about how black fathers have to give their sons “the talk “. What to do if pulled over. Keep your hands on the steering wheel, just say yes sir or no sir, etc. White fathers don’t need to have this talk with their sons. There’s something wrong about that.
Not exactly. I'm white and my father still gave me that talk. Basically said to cooperate and don't be disobedient. Even if I'm in the right, I can always fight it later with a lawyer present.
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Just because someone does not comply does not give the police the right to use deadly force on them unless they are in a life threatening situation there are plenty of other ways to subdue a person. I used to watch the show Cops all the time and not once did I see the police have to shoot the suspect when they tried to resist or flee.
Just because someone does not comply does not give the police the right to use deadly force on them unless they are in a life threatening situation there are plenty of other ways to subdue a person. I used to watch the show Cops all the time and not once did I see the police have to shoot the suspect when they tried to resist or flee.
Please explain, tell us these plenty of other ways to subdue a person.
This is good advice overall and I'm not advocating anyone do anything else - I'm certainly living it myself.
It's the implication in this thread - that failing to do so may cost you your life, and that we should just accept that state of affairs - that I find completely unacceptable.
Police is quite often dealing with people with really bad decision-making skills having one of the worst days of their lives. It's predictable. Part of the job. It needs to be taken into account. It needs to be trained for.
In some cases, yes it could cost you your life. Just like being a victim of robbery, rape, or assault can cost you your life if you resist. I do agree that things have gotten out of hand and there is need for better training, vetting, guidelines, etc. but IMO it doesn't all fall on police.
I think people forget the police are not social workers or therapists, their job is to uphold the laws and make arrests. As citizens expect to have a civil encounter with police and not fear brutality or fatality police also should be afforded the expectation of not being attacked (verbally or physically) or killed doing their job. As many officers are killed doing their job as are killed by police. And we see most of those killed by police are all or either criminals/committing a crime/resisting arrest. Just because officers know there are inherant dangers doesn't mean they accept being killed by someone having a bad day. they have the right to protect their life.
There needs to be mutual respect and just as more/different training for officers can only be a good thing I see nothing wrong with parents (black or white, this stuff happens to white people too) having that talk with their kids about respect and how to behave in a police encounter situation.
In some cases, yes it could cost you your life. Just like being a victim of robbery, rape, or assault can cost you your life if you resist. I do agree that things have gotten out of hand and there is need for better training, vetting, guidelines, etc. but IMO it doesn't all fall on police. I think people forget the police are not social workers or therapists, their job is to uphold the laws and make arrests. As citizens expect to have a civil encounter with police and not fear brutality or fatality police also should be afforded the expectation of not being attacked (verbally or physically) or killed doing their job. As many officers are killed doing their job as are killed by police. And we see most of those killed by police are all or either criminals/committing a crime/resisting arrest. Just because officers know there are inherant dangers doesn't mean they accept being killed by someone having a bad day. they have the right to protect their life.
There needs to be mutual respect and just as more/different training for officers can only be a good thing I see nothing wrong with parents (black or white, this stuff happens to white people too) having that talk with their kids about respect and how to behave in a police encounter situation.
How can we expect police to uphold or enforce drug laws then? LOL
You are right, they are not social workers or therapists...point is, they do not have the appropriate training to deal with these kinds of people!
How can we expect police to uphold or enforce drug laws then? LOL
You are right, they are not social workers or therapists...point is, they do not have the appropriate training to deal with these kinds of people!
Police enforce drug laws by arresting those who break drug laws. They don't have to psychoanalyze them or counsel them. Have a problem with drug laws take it to the legislators. The system need to help addicts, really help them, not criminalize them.
What kind of people do the police not have appropriate training to deal with, criminals, citizens, drug dealers, addicts?
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