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Old 10-05-2020, 11:28 AM
 
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Been a while since you’ve been active duty, I take it. That is not the way it works now. You would have been seen that day at an Urgent Care Center, either in a military facility or they would have arranged for you to go to a civilian one. You may have had to wait 3 weeks after being seen at UC to see a specialist, if they decided it could wait but they would have addressed whatever acute miseries they could that day.

Things have changed. One of the additional things that has changed - thanks to Trump, I might add - is that the VA has a private care option.

Trump signs bill allowing veterans to seek care outside broken VA system

Funny how no one seems to have heard about that one. Hmmm..... wonder why?
Yes, it has been a while, I got out in 2004. And I was unaware of that. I don't use my VA health benefits, so I haven't paid attention. So we now use the civilian healthcare system to make up for the deficiencies in the military system. Makes sense.
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Old 10-05-2020, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Originally Posted by Oldhag1 View Post
Been a while since you’ve been active duty, I take it. That is not the way it works now. You would have been seen that day at an Urgent Care Center, either in a military facility or they would have arranged for you to go to a civilian one. You may have had to wait 3 weeks after being seen at UC to see a specialist, if they decided it could wait but they would have addressed whatever acute miseries they could that day.

Things have changed. One of the additional things that has changed - thanks to Trump, I might add - is that the VA has a private care option.

Trump signs bill allowing veterans to seek care outside broken VA system

Funny how no one seems to have heard about that one. Hmmm..... wonder why?
the POTUS doesn't need to act like he created it though. Improving what was started and making it permanent are enough...

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President Trump signed legislation Wednesday that will dramatically expand a program at the Department of Veterans Affairs that lets patients seek care from private doctors if they want to bypass the troubled VA system.

The Veterans Choice Improvement Act removes barriers that Congress placed around the original "choice" initiative and eliminates an expiration date that would have shuttered the program in August.

Lawmakers created the choice program in 2014 after a massive scandal involving wait time cover-ups at more than 100 VA facilities around the country. It was initially structured as a two-year pilot program that limited when and where veterans could choose to see private doctors. Patients could only use the choice program if they lived more than 40 miles from the nearest VA hospital or if they could not get an appointment from their local VA facility within 30 days.
it is accurate to say the 2014 legislation was created by a Republican in the R-led House and passed the House quickly. It took nearly a year for the D-led Senate to pass it. And per above, it was a "pilot program" for just 2 years and still had strong restrictions - had to be 40 miles from a VA or take 30 days to get an appointment?
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Old 10-05-2020, 11:29 AM
 
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He's getting a pretty good ROI on his $750, isn't he?
Reading is fundamental. Understanding requires one to research and not depend on memes for their news.
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Old 10-05-2020, 11:31 AM
 
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Wrong. 8 years active duty Army.
And you thought the health care was good? Ok. To each there own.
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Old 10-05-2020, 11:33 AM
 
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This just shows how much of a hypocrite the president is... he knowingly puts his supporters in dangerous situations and now that karma struck back, Trump has a team of 10 government paid doctors assigned to him, given treatments that aren’t even allowed to the public, so when you go out there maskless in a crowded Trump rally, remember you won’t get any of this.
That's not what "hypocrite" means.
Hypocritical action is when you ask someone to do something counter to what you would do yourself.
Trump doesn't force anyone to go to rallies.
Trump doesn't mandate "no mask".
Trump didn't know he was going to get COVID.
Everyone is supposed to have medical care, either through Medicaid or private insurance. Trump doesn't state that you can't have "ten" doctors.
The number of 2020 Trump rallies have not come close to the number of institutional Left endorsed protests and riots in 2020.

The Left was plenty willing to risk COVID transmission with its endorsement of protests and riots-terrorism, going on four months now and only slowed by wild fires.

Decisions by committee are seldom good. Single doctors are often bad enough, today, given the AMA's push for doctors to make all decisions according to research outcome percentages instead of the doctor's experience with individuals of a specific medical profile and his anaylsis of the individual patient (only then, with an additional underlying consideration of the always changing data).

Ten doctors would be much worse in that regard. There will be little true applied medical expertise available. Everything will be decided on by committee, according to data and liability avoidance.

According to your logic, 100 doctors would be better than 10 doctors. That isn't the case.

And in our fourth year of Nationwide, Press generated TDS, I'd even venture that having ten doctors means that at least one has TDS and is therefore a risk. Liberals can not be given benefit of the doubt, today.
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Old 10-05-2020, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I want Universal Health Care, but that requires government to get out of the way.
And requires abolishing health "insurance" (gambling) that burdens the patient for the benefit of the insurer.
And requires the dismantling of the Allopathic monopoly on prescription drugs, etc.
Well that's never going to happen, so stop griping about the "privilege" health care system that gubmint imposed on us.
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Old 10-05-2020, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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And you thought the health care was good? Ok. To each there own.
Navy Doc's saved my life and my legs...I think they were dam good!!!
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Old 10-05-2020, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Hillsboro Beach
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This just shows how much of a hypocrite the president is... he knowingly puts his supporters in dangerous situations and now that karma struck back, Trump has a team of 10 government paid doctors assigned to him, given treatments that aren’t even allowed to the public, so when you go out there maskless in a crowded Trump rally, remember you won’t get any of this.
It does not surprise me at all. I was taking care of a friend of mine when hospitalized for just 8 days, and I witnessed no less than 3 different doctors and specialists every single day taking care of him. That friend of mine is NOT RICH ! This is America ! I'm sure if Biden gets diarrhea he will have immediately a troupe of desperate doctors to cure his fecal discharge.
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Old 10-05-2020, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Hardly. Maybe Trump supporters think that. The economy (that Trump shutdown) is still in the dumpster. There's unchecked riots. Nothing being done on police reform (no, Biden is not defunding police, so don't go down that line of thought).

Roll back to 2019. Before coronavirus dominated every thought, this was what was on American minds:

Climate Change
Economic Inequality
Affordable college education
Affordable health care
Affordable drug prescriptions
Federal deficit
Illegal Immigration
Abortion

That's all on the table right now too. It is just that coronavirus and the economy are at the top. If coronavirus did magically "go away" - we'd still have this litany of issues to think about when voting for a President.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...policy-agenda/


that may have been on Democrat Americans minds, but not the population at-large.

When we aren't at war, you'll never find a higher category than jobs/economy. How wonderful it was that jobs/economy had dropped from 70-80% in 2010, and "jobs" was 10 points down from 2016 to now and barely above 50%.

The "environment" had gotten almost as important as economy, but Climate change was just over 50% - but higher than jobs, which tells you how well the American people thought jobs were that it got that low.
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Old 10-05-2020, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Im aware, thanks to the Trump administration. But it existed in Obamacare and made insurance expensive not affordable for many.
about 1MM people dropped out of the exchange from 2016 peak of 12.4MM to 2020 low of 11.4MM. A little over 4MM more were enrolled in employer-provided over that period.

That's a pretty clear sign that employment coverage improved, as more people went to more full-time employment with benefits.

There were almost 2MM MORE people covered by HI in 2019 than in 2017.
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