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Old 10-08-2020, 10:58 AM
 
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See? This is how you make the case for the necessity of history education.
You mean revisionist history and leftist propaganda? Take France, their country overran by the German Army, the Nazis come in and dictate what they must do or else. Total victims of the Nazis but let's the make the French the bad guys too .

 
Old 10-08-2020, 11:04 AM
 
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You mean revisionist history and leftist propaganda? Take France, their country overran by the German Army, the Nazis come in and dictate what they must do or else. Total victims of the Nazis but let's the make the French the bad guys too .
Lol...”victims of the Nazis.”

The Austrians make the same claim when their whole country was collaborationists.
 
Old 10-08-2020, 11:06 AM
 
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You mean revisionist history and leftist propaganda? Take France, their country overran by the German Army, the Nazis come in and dictate what they must do or else. Total victims of the Nazis but let's the make the French the bad guys too .
Collaborators don't hold responsibility, now? There's a reason the word "Quisling" entered common use.
 
Old 10-08-2020, 11:16 AM
 
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Collaborators don't hold responsibility, now? There's a reason the word "Quisling" entered common use.
It's hardly being a collaborator when you are under occupation and not really given a free choice. Anyway, that's an individual and case by case thing. The real story is the French were victims of the Nazis. The democrat party is a party full of collaborators and quislings.
 
Old 10-08-2020, 11:24 AM
 
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Lol...”victims of the Nazis.”

The Austrians make the same claim when their whole country was collaborationists.
It's like this. When the Democrats in the US assume power and force the rest of us to do things we don't want to do, and does things we don't agree with or even know about, that doesn't make us collaborators, it makes us victims.
 
Old 10-08-2020, 11:34 AM
 
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It's hardly being a collaborator when you are under occupation and not really given a free choice. Anyway, that's an individual and case by case thing. The real story is the French were victims of the Nazis. The democrat party is a party full of collaborators and quislings.
Put down the keyboard and get some air. You're moving from defending Nazi collaborators to using the term to smear fellow Americans in the span of four sentences.
 
Old 10-08-2020, 11:42 AM
 
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Put down the keyboard and get some air. You're moving from defending Nazi collaborators to using the term to smear fellow Americans in the span of four sentences.
I'm defending victims of the Nazis who are being unfairly smeared, and placing the smear where it properly belongs.
 
Old 10-08-2020, 12:13 PM
 
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I don’t know if he can be legally terminated, but if he believes what he said, then he’s an idiot and unqualified to be a Super. Seriously.
He's not wrong.

Everything needs to be questioned until the truth of all things is fleshed out.

That's why we always question everything about everything, so that we can know the Truth.

Perhaps it would help you understand if you could learn to distinguish between "denying the Holocaust" and "denying the Holocaust narrative."

Those are two totally separate different things.

High school and university history textbooks through the 1990s pushed this narrative: 6 Million Jews died; 4 Million died at Auschwitz; and 2 Million died in the Eastern Territory (encompassing Sobibor, Chelmno and Treblinka).

That narrative was wrong and it was proven wrong thanks to the efforts of people that other people hate a lot, namely, so-called "Holocaust Deniers."

Now we know for a fact that 4 Million did not die at Auschwitz.

The actual number is 1.3 Million were sent there, but only 1.1 Million died and there is still no proof that those 1.1 Million were actually murdered by gassing in gas chambers.

The reality is that maybe 200,000 - 250,000 were murdered and the other 900,000 or so died of Typhoid.

Do those Truths in any way, shape or form diminish the Holocaust?

No, they do not.

We want to understand the Holocaust. We want to know how it happened and why it happened, if for no other reason than to prevent something like that from ever happening again anywhere on Earth.

But, to do that, we need to know the Truth, all of it, and not some fantasy by guilt-ridden former Juedischer Ordnungsdienst.
I mean, really, it was claimed 4 Million died in Auschwitz, which was proven false, and it is alleged to have been a killing machine and yet there were Millions of Jews who claimed to have survived Auschwitz.

When the Russians got there, there wasn't anywhere close to 1 Million people there and it wasn't big enough to house 1 Million people.

Are you not seeing a problem with that?

Much of the Holocaust narrative is wrong. Period.

My question is why is it necessary to exaggerate and lie?

If you want to gain some insight into the "why" you might want to read Reserve Police Battalion 101. Those were police in Hamburg and vicinity organized into a reserve army battalion designated 101, then activated and sent to the Eastern Territory.

They murdered and wiped out entire villages. That's not conjecture, that's the reports filed by the company and battalion commanders.

Anyway, it isn't the Holocaust Deniers that are diminishing the Holocaust, it's the Holocaust supporters pushing the false narratives about what really happened that are diminishing it.
 
Old 10-08-2020, 01:14 PM
 
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It's like this. When the Democrats in the US assume power and force the rest of us to do things we don't want to do, and does things we don't agree with or even know about, that doesn't make us collaborators, it makes us victims.
At the risk of getting myself in trouble, I’m STLL gonna say this: you’re WEAK! There’s absolutely no external pressure that could be put on me to kill my neighbors or to betray them at the risk them losing their lives. That’s the difference between you and I.

Take Denmark..a nation that was bound and determined as a people to NEVER allow their country to be stained with the dirty mark of Nazi Collaborator or Sympathizer.

They sit dead smack on Germany’s northern border, were invaded and occupied, and as a nation decided immediately that the Germans wouldn’t do what they’d done in so many other nations. The Danes didn’t close their eyes and avoid what they knew to be imminent. They sprang into action...protecting their Jewish population by hiding or even destroying birth records and even murdering Nazi officials. And when things got dire, they smuggled their Jewish population out of the country to safety.

So don’t give me this crap about collaboration because of occupation. Germany couldn’t have killed a tenth of those Jews and Roma without their host nation collaborators. Western European nations and the Baltic States could’ve EASILY saved their Jewish populations if they’d been determined to do so. They by and large were indifferent to their Jewish and Roma countrymen’s plight.

GOH.
 
Old 10-08-2020, 01:23 PM
 
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"The actual number is 1.3 Million were sent there, but only 1.1 Million died and there is still no proof that those 1.1 Million were actually murdered by gassing in gas chambers."

Dead is dead, regardless of how they were killed.
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