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So 33 feet from center of a road with probably 12 foot lanes, maybe a 4 foot shoulder if this is a two lane road. So the sign was 24 feet from the center of the road. This is hardly a hazard which means there is NO reason for taking the sign without discussing with the homeowner first. Sounds like an exuberant authoritarian government employee to me. My office would do a news release for political signs ahead of an election to inform the public of the rules. Maybe they did this maybe they didn't, but we didn't snatch signs without talking to homeowners.
So if the city swipes your Trump sign without notice, how's the property owner suppose to know it wasn't stolen by liberal thugs, enticing the homeowner to booby trap it? She did say her signs were getting stolen.
I would guess the court system has approved the city ordinances? The city code enforcement doesn't have to get a warrant every single time a code is violated and the employees have to go on the property to remedy it.
You could not be more wrong. Most ordinance enforcement is pretty standard throughout the country. Notices must be filed and sent to the homeowner to self correct the problem. If the homeowner ignores the notice or fails to respond then a second notice is given, often by hand delivering or posting the notice on the door of the residence, if the homeowner is not home.
A certain amount of time is given to correct the issue. If the homeowner refuses or fails to comply. Then the town/city will get a warrant to access the property and make the correction. They have no right to come onto any persons property and alter it or remove personal property without a court order.
And town boards create and pass ordinances, not the court system. Legislators make laws, courts enforce them , its amazing to me how so many people seem to not understand this.
And because this happened in Oakland, MI, here is how they are supposed to deliver ordinance citations.
Municipal civil infraction citations shall be served in the following manner:
(1)
Except as otherwise provided below, the authorized official shall personally serve a copy of the citation upon the alleged violator.
(2)
A municipal civil infraction action involving the use or occupancy of land or a building or other structure, a copy of the citation need not be personally served upon the alleged violator but may be served upon an owner or occupant of the land, building or structure by posting the copy on the land or attaching the copy to the building or structure. In addition, a copy of the citation shall be sent by first-class mail to the owner of the land, building or structure at the owner's last known address.
So not only did that worker most likely not have a warrant him and his boss violated town policy.
Its surprising to see how many people are ok with allowing the government to trample on their rights whenever it sees fit. The 4th amendment exists for a reason.
So 33 feet from center of a road with probably 12 foot lanes, maybe a 4 foot shoulder if this is a two lane road. So the sign was 24 feet from the center of the road. This is hardly a hazard which means there is NO reason for taking the sign without discussing with the homeowner first. Sounds like an exuberant authoritarian government employee to me. My office would do a news release for political signs ahead of an election to inform the public of the rules. Maybe they did this maybe they didn't, but we didn't snatch signs without talking to homeowners.
Once again, you and most posters are assuming the city worker made no attempt to contact the owner. For what we know, (the article doesn't go into that much detail,) he may have put a notice on her door instructing her to remove it and she ignored it, purposely moving it too close to the street and purposely rigging it in the hopes that someone would get hurt. The fact that she booby trapped it in the first place makes her a vicious vindictive person.
Once again, you and most posters are assuming the city worker made no attempt to contact the owner. For what we know, (the article doesn't go into that much detail,) he may have put a notice on her door instructing her to remove it and she ignored it, purposely moving it too close to the street and purposely rigging it in the hopes that someone would get hurt. The fact that she booby trapped it in the first place makes her a vicious vindictive person.
Once again, you and most posters are assuming the city worker made no attempt to contact the owner. For what we know, (the article doesn't go into that much detail,) he may have put a notice on her door instructing her to remove it and she ignored it, purposely moving it too close to the street and purposely rigging it in the hopes that someone would get hurt. The fact that she booby trapped it in the first place makes her a vicious vindictive person.
Why shouldn't we assume that? The story reads as if the city worker drove up and ran to swipe the Trump sign. And it mentions the property owner has had her Trump sign stolen before (maybe by the city) and nothing about her receiving a notice.
Actually, other than the middle of an ocean, there really aren't any places on the planet to accommodate non-statism.
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Originally Posted by Roboteer
That was the whole idea of the new continent called America. It was in the middle of the ocean (two oceans, in fact) and people seized on it as a way to start a brand-new country or six, from scratch, and set up governments free of the usual government plagues (oppression, dictatorship, overbearing restriction, forced redistribution and the other usual results of socialism).
And it worked for a while, until the socialists found ways to cross the ocean and re-infect the New World.
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Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian
sorry to quibble, but the Whiskey Rebellion was only 3 years after the ratification of the Constitution, so if by "worked for a while" you mean "worked for about 3 years before tyranny got its foothold and began to grow unabated for the next 200+ years" then sure, it worked for "a while" but not really.
I didn't say it was perfect. We won't have that until we have perfect people.
I said it worked. Which it did overall, better than any other ever has, despite all the imperfections of its various people.
Once again, you and most posters are assuming the city worker made no attempt to contact the owner. For what we know, (the article doesn't go into that much detail,) he may have put a notice on her door instructing her to remove it and she ignored it, purposely moving it too close to the street and purposely rigging it in the hopes that someone would get hurt. The fact that she booby trapped it in the first place makes her a vicious vindictive person.
I'm sure it will be part of the investigation to find that out. If they did make such an attempt it would surely be part of a decent reporter's account.
Once again, you and most posters are assuming the city worker made no attempt to contact the owner. For what we know, (the article doesn't go into that much detail,) he may have put a notice on her door instructing her to remove it and she ignored it, purposely moving it too close to the street and purposely rigging it in the hopes that someone would get hurt. The fact that she booby trapped it in the first place makes her a vicious vindictive person.
The city employee didn't state this, in fact in the article I read, it said they routinely remove yard signs that violate the policy. No mention of giving the residences notices. The homeowners also claim the signs were stolen a few weeks prior and were returned to their yard while they were out of town. They deny putting the razor blades on them.
Was that sign out in the open right of way, where people pass by? Really nasty having a row of blades on that bottom edge, could’ve been a little kid or even a pet getting sliced. A bit OTT no?
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