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Old 07-14-2021, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Anarchists tend to hate government. It’s not particularly partisan.

Some anarchists get politically labeled by politicians and media.

One does not see those into Antifa ideology wearing Biden hats. Nonetheless, this has not prevented some politicians and media from lumping them in with Democrats. Same deal with some militia groups being viewed as Trump supporters. While many are, not all are.

TheBrandon Caserta character, back in October, claimed he was mad at the Police for giving him tickets. While one can appreciate how many people don’t appreciate the consequences of violating local traffic and parking laws, most do not use their anger to plan to kidnap a Governor.

The Governor blamed Trump for a rhetorical environment that encourages radical behaviors.

While nothing to do with the attempt to kidnap this Governor, we know that Trump has been saying since before the 2016 nomination his “followers would become violent” if/ if not Fill in the Blank. It is more common for a cult leader to describe his base as followers than it is for a policing to refer to his supporters as followers.

January 6 eliminated any doubt he understood a part of his base were indeed violent. Trump has yet to say what he was doing that he viewed as more important than putting an end to the crapola at the Capital, despite please to him, his admin to do something.
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Old 07-14-2021, 11:58 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Anarchists tend to hate government. It’s not particularly partisan.

Some anarchists get politically labeled by politicians and media.

One does not see those into Antifa ideology wearing Biden hats. Nonetheless, this has not prevented some politicians and media from lumping them in with Democrats. Same deal with some militia groups being viewed as Trump supporters. While many are, not all are.

TheBrandon Caserta character, back in October, claimed he was mad at the Police for giving him tickets. While one can appreciate how many people don’t appreciate the consequences of violating local traffic and parking laws, most do not use their anger to plan to kidnap a Governor.

The Governor blamed Trump for a rhetorical environment that encourages radical behaviors.

While nothing to do with the attempt to kidnap this Governor, we know that Trump has been saying since before the 2016 nomination his “followers would become violent” if/ if not Fill in the Blank. It is more common for a cult leader to describe his base as followers than it is for a policing to refer to his supporters as followers.

January 6 eliminated any doubt he understood a part of his base were indeed violent. Trump has yet to say what he was doing that he viewed as more important than putting an end to the crapola at the Capital, despite please to him, his admin to do something.
Speaking from experience, I can tell you that Michigan Militia type anarchists are overwhelmingly right-wing.
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Old 07-14-2021, 02:33 PM
 
Location: USA
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Speaking from experience, I can tell you that Michigan Militia type anarchists are overwhelmingly right-wing.
Speaking from experience, the inept Democrat party has done more damage to Detroit than any Miltia in Michigan has every done.
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Old 07-14-2021, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I find the media remarkable in their ability to get everyone to jump.
That's not remarkable. All they're doing is saying, "Jump." Nothing remarkable about that.

What's remarkable is that people are jumping without asking why.
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Old 07-14-2021, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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No media outlet this biased is capable of providing objective facts without an agenda and should, as such, be disregarded in its entirety (assuming, of course, that truth is what one seeks, rather than a reaffirmation of a previously-held belief). Even if there's a shred of truth in anything it says, it's pointless to try and parse it out.
Well, for starters, your first point is simply untrue.

You act like you think you understand the media, but you clearly don't. Kudos for trying harder than most, but you still have a long ways to go.

Hint: It's not what you read; it's how you read it, and excluding any information without first reviewing it is detrimental to your overall view of the thing being reported. Unless, of course, you don't think you can discern between what's real and what isn't. Is that it?

ETA: Wow. I just finished going over the rest of your argument this came from. Never mind. Don't respond. I won't see it - you're on ignore now.
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Old 07-14-2021, 03:21 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Speaking from experience, the inept Democrat party has done more damage to Detroit than any Miltia in Michigan has every done.
Cool story. Has nothing to do with my post or this thread, however.
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Old 07-21-2021, 12:17 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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And your Federal LEO background is.......?
by that weak attempt at logic, not even your pal whitty can opine on this case

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An examination of the case by BuzzFeed News also reveals that some of those informants, acting under the direction of the FBI, played a far larger role than has previously been reported. Working in secret, they did more than just passively observe and report on the actions of the suspects. Instead, they had a hand in nearly every aspect of the alleged plot, starting with its inception. The extent of their involvement raises questions as to whether there would have even been a conspiracy without them.
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Old 07-21-2021, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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by that weak attempt at logic, not even your pal whitty can opine on this case
It's like some of the domestic terrorists that the FBI caught during the Obama years. They never actually engaged in any terrorist acts, the FBI would infiltrate their group, and propose attacks and see if any members would bite, then prosecute them.

On the one hand, should people be agreeing to plot terror attacks? Hell no. But the question arises, would any of the people arrested have plotted a terror attack if the FBI undercover operatives had not talked the group into planning an attack in the first place?

So the question is one of ethics. Is it a legit function of the FBI to hatch these plans and see if they can get people to agree to them? It's a bit like talking to coworkers and complaining about how awful the boss is, and keep nagging people until finally someone finally agrees with your plan to kill their boss, and then arrest them for it.
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Old 09-22-2021, 10:08 AM
 
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Surprised to see no update to this story. It turns out it was an FBI plot to blame it on the "right wing".
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Old 09-22-2021, 10:16 AM
 
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Speaking from experience, I can tell you that Michigan Militia type anarchists are overwhelmingly right-wing.
Speaking from experience, I can tell you that Michigan militia types are anti-government and anti- any authority at all. Most are pure anarchists.
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