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Old 10-26-2020, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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No, it isn't right wing. I gave several twentieth century historical examples. Fascism is left-wing.

Not only that, it was Mussolini who coined the term "fascism." It only makes sense to believe what he said when he defined it.

"Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual." -Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile, The Doctrine of Fascism, 1923

"For Fascism, society is the end, individuals the means, and its whole life consists in using individuals as instruments for its social ends." - Alfredo Rocco, Mussolini's Minister of Justice, speaking at Perugia, August 30, 1925

Fascism is anti-individual, anti-individual liberties, and is all about the forced sacrifice of oneself and one's best interest to benefit the collective society. Very left-wing. It's exactly what the US left currently wants.
You're twisting logic into a pretzel to try to paint fascism as left wing, it isn't

 
Old 10-26-2020, 04:24 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You're twisting logic into a pretzel to try to paint fascism as left wing, it isn't
I twisted nothing. I quoted the originator of the term "fascism" so we can all see how he defined it.
 
Old 10-26-2020, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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I twisted nothing. I quoted the originator of the term "fascism" so we can all see how he defined it.
You're wrong. I'll keep saying it until you drop it. You and I are like half the posts in the thread the last half hour
 
Old 10-26-2020, 04:31 PM
 
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You're wrong. I'll keep saying it until you drop it. You and I are like half the posts in the thread the last half hour
Call it whatever you like, the left today is extremely authoritarian and has more in common with fascism than they do any libertarian minded ideology.
 
Old 10-26-2020, 04:31 PM
 
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You're wrong. I'll keep saying it until you drop it. You and I are like half the posts in the thread the last half hour
Nope. Mussolini coined the term and defined it. Fascism forcibly subjugates the individual to benefit the collective society. That's exactly what the US left wants. That's why they've systematically been attacking Free Speech and other individual liberties/Constitutional Rights since at least 2016.
 
Old 10-26-2020, 04:36 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Again, I'd like to give a big Thank You to the Democrat Senators and Harry Reid for doing away with the 60 vote requirement and allowing this to happen.

After his re-election Trump will probably put 2 more on the Court.
 
Old 10-26-2020, 04:39 PM
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Call it whatever you like, the left today is extremely authoritarian and has more in common with fascism than they do any libertarian minded ideology.
Fascists and socialists are so extreme they are not much different.

They are so far right they are left or so far left they are right.

Nazi is short for National Socialists.
 
Old 10-26-2020, 04:43 PM
 
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Fascists and socialists are so extreme they are not much different.

They are so far right they are left or so far left they are right.

Nazi is short for National Socialists.
To me what really matters is authoritarian vs libertarian.

Right wing authoritarianism is just as bad as left wing authoritarianism.... though left wing authoritarianism has a much larger death toll.
 
Old 10-26-2020, 04:57 PM
 
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
No, it isn't right wing. I gave several twentieth century historical examples. Fascism is left-wing.

Not only that, it was Mussolini who coined the term "fascism." It only makes sense to believe what he said when he defined it.

"Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual." -Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile, The Doctrine of Fascism, 1923

"For Fascism, society is the end, individuals the means, and its whole life consists in using individuals as instruments for its social ends." - Alfredo Rocco, Mussolini's Minister of Justice, speaking at Perugia, August 30, 1925

Fascism is anti-individual, anti-individual liberties, and is all about the forced sacrifice of oneself and one's best interest to benefit the collective society. Very left-wing. It's exactly what the US left currently wants.
Sorry to burst your bubble but yet again you have no idea what you are talking about. Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology.
 
Old 10-26-2020, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Call it whatever you like, the left today is extremely authoritarian and has more in common with fascism than they do any libertarian minded ideology.
No, they aren't

And libertarianism isn't a left wing ideology. A libertarian is a Republican who smokes weed
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