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here's another one for the OP...Trump is a draft dodger who ridiculed John McCain for being captured..and just look at how many high ranking former and current military officials have endorsed Joe Biden because of Trump's indifference if not disdain for our military..
Have you felt secure over the last four years? Have you felt that this administration is working for ALL Americans, for their long term well being? Have you felt that Trump has brought us together or divided us? Have you felt pride in your government as they deal with other countries, or have you felt embarrassed? Is our standing in the world improved or been eroded? Are you optimistic about this country's stability? Do you feel this administration will be able to master the challenges before us (climate change, increased climate displacement, fair immigration reform, health care, civil unrest, extreme wealth disparity, extreme political divisions, any unexpected emergencies that may emerge, etc)? Base your decision on some of those types of questions, not on media.
I haven't felt secure over the last four years because the Democrats have demonstrated that they have no problem trampling all over our civil rights to get what they want. They're incredibly intolerant and are being helped by media shills who stoke divisiveness and hatred. Trump is our only chance of putting an end to this nonsense. No sane person would want a racist, sexist, ultra-left/progressive bunch of nutjobs running the country - and that describes the Democrats to a T.
Actually COVID is not a hoax. Actually had someone I've known since grade school unfriend me on FB because I provided proof (from Snopes of all places) that Trump did not call it a hoax. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...-rally-remark/
This whole deal with COVID and it's reporting the numbers correctly are crazy. The thing where hospitals get so much for a COVID death is wrong. That should be ended.
Snopes pointed out "In context, Trump did not say in the passage above that the virus itself was a hoax. He instead said that Democrats’ criticism of his administration’s response to it was a hoax." I'd say that's splitting hairs.
This is the strangest election ever for me. I literally can't decide and I'm always shifting my perspective. I listen to CNN and they keep on blaming Trump for the virus. I listen to Fox News and they talk about how the democrats are liars and cheaters and how Trump has done such a great job containing the virus.
A part of me definitely wants Trump to lose because I can't stand some of his supporters, especially the ones that are always calling democrats snowflakes. I don't like the dog whistling that Trump does. I know his supporters will say, ''What dog whistles?''
But then I don't like how Biden says,''If you don't vote for me, then you ain't black.'' I don't like how you should be forced to vote for someone because of your skin tone. Now some democrats are going to say that he meant something else.
I also don't like how the democrats break their own rules. Look at Nancy Pelosi. Getting a haircut and not admitting what she did was wrong. I see so many democrats who shame others, but then they will try sneak in some pleasure for themselves.
I don't like how Trump will say something and then later say he's being sarcastic. For instance, the bleach injecting and nuking the tornados. I mean what kind of president plays games like that and then later says he was just kidding?
So I'm truly split. A part me wants Trump to win because at times it feels like the dems are trying to force you to see it their way and often times everything is about race, race, race. But part of me wants Trump to lose because he's not exactly the most presidential guy we've had in the WH and his team has set a bad example on how to not wear masks..
Is the coronavirus a hoax? We hear so many republicans say it's overblown. On one hand it's killed over 210,000 people but on the other hand only about 10,000 of those people had no conditions. Plus we've heard that every death gets counted as covid. So if that's the case, how could you not have 210,000 deaths if every death gets counted as covid? Those were the words of Dr Birx. Not every death is counted as covid, but what I mean is every death associated with it is. And that's not right.
Also, I can't go for Antifa. But I can't go for white supremacy. I can't go for cancel culture though.
So you see how I'm totally confused? I don't like either side. But then if I don't vote, people will say that I'm an irresponsible citizen and I'm part of the problem. I'm split and I don't know what to do. Also, my family is mostly democrat so I don't think I can consider voting for Trump. Just not worth it. I've considered voting for the Green Party, but then people say I'm throwing away my vote. You see how there's no right way? I'm split and I'm very confused, more now than ever. The crazy thing is both parties feel they are the better of the two.
Congrats on at least seeing the forest through the trees and the spin media puts on everything. Despite my support being for Trump since ~2017, I feel much the same as you do on the issues you've touched upon. Two big ones that you haven't mentioned though, are Trumps economy and tax cuts. He really found the sweet spot at a point where a lower % tax rate resulted in much more business activity and greatly increased total tax revenues despite the drop in %. Furthermore, the right isn't all about white supremacy, that's a divisive tactic spun up by leftist media. The Trump economy has pulled more minorities up out of poverty and unemployment than any other time in history while the democrats have done nothing more than give them socialist handouts in exchange for votes. I understand that Trump is crass, obnoxious, full of himself, and far from perfect, but we're going to need him to have any chance of a post Covid-19 recovery. My opinion is we gotta vote Trump, even if some need to hold their nose while doing it I understand.
Regarding Covid-19, it is a strange thing. To some people it's fatal and to others it's just a common minor cold. My GF's Boss and his family got it, and his mom died. He only had minor cold like symptoms, tiredness, and loss of taste for a couple days. More of us including myself have had these symptoms but were told getting an antibody test isn't a priority. So while Covid-19 is a real threat, a lot of us feel like many more people have had it with minor symptoms so it has a lower death rate than the #'s posted.
I just want to correct you on the above part. When the death certificate says, for example, Covid-19 and pneumonia, that doesn't mean that they weren't killed by Covid-19. It usually means that the virus caused pneumonia, which in turn was the cause of death. Pneumonia is a symptom, not a disease. Same is true for respiratory distress and multiple organ failure. All of these can be symptoms of Covid-19 infection. A lot of people have tried to twist this statistic to make it sound like most of the deaths were not due to Covid-19. That's patently false.
As we know, a person can test positive for COVID and be asymptomatic. So it's also very possible that a person in the hospital can test positive for COVID, but their viral load for that disease is not high enough to cause any issues. Then they die from cancer, or pneumonia, and never had any complications from COVID.
Have you felt secure over the last four years? Have you felt that this administration is working for ALL Americans, for their long term well being? Have you felt that Trump has brought us together or divided us? Have you felt pride in your government as they deal with other countries, or have you felt embarrassed? Is our standing in the world improved or been eroded? Are you optimistic about this country's stability? Do you feel this administration will be able to master the challenges before us (climate change, increased climate displacement, fair immigration reform, health care, civil unrest, extreme wealth disparity, extreme political divisions, any unexpected emergencies that may emerge, etc)? Base your decision on some of those types of questions, not on media.
Interesting issues that you chose. Those are not the issues that I care about. Except civil unrest (stoked by Democrats and let to run rampant and healthcare (ACA passed by Democrats which is terrible and expensive).
I care about the economy (home run under Trump), illegal immigration (another home run under Trump), standing up to keep China from taking over as the dominant superpower (Biden said 'C'mon, man. They are not a threat." I believe China is a HUGE threat to our nation.
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This is the strangest election ever for me. I literally can't decide and I'm always shifting my perspective. I listen to CNN and they keep on blaming Trump for the virus. I listen to Fox News and they talk about how the democrats are liars and cheaters and how Trump has done such a great job containing the virus.
A part of me definitely wants Trump to lose because I can't stand some of his supporters, especially the ones that are always calling democrats snowflakes. I don't like the dog whistling that Trump does. I know his supporters will say, ''What dog whistles?''
But then I don't like how Biden says,''If you don't vote for me, then you ain't black.'' I don't like how you should be forced to vote for someone because of your skin tone. Now some democrats are going to say that he meant something else.
I also don't like how the democrats break their own rules. Look at Nancy Pelosi. Getting a haircut and not admitting what she did was wrong. I see so many democrats who shame others, but then they will try sneak in some pleasure for themselves.
I don't like how Trump will say something and then later say he's being sarcastic. For instance, the bleach injecting and nuking the tornados. I mean what kind of president plays games like that and then later says he was just kidding?
So I'm truly split. A part me wants Trump to win because at times it feels like the dems are trying to force you to see it their way and often times everything is about race, race, race. But part of me wants Trump to lose because he's not exactly the most presidential guy we've had in the WH and his team has set a bad example on how to not wear masks..
Is the coronavirus a hoax? We hear so many republicans say it's overblown. On one hand it's killed over 210,000 people but on the other hand only about 10,000 of those people had no conditions. Plus we've heard that every death gets counted as covid. So if that's the case, how could you not have 210,000 deaths if every death gets counted as covid? Those were the words of Dr Birx. Not every death is counted as covid, but what I mean is every death associated with it is. And that's not right.
Also, I can't go for Antifa. But I can't go for white supremacy. I can't go for cancel culture though.
So you see how I'm totally confused? I don't like either side. But then if I don't vote, people will say that I'm an irresponsible citizen and I'm part of the problem. I'm split and I don't know what to do. Also, my family is mostly democrat so I don't think I can consider voting for Trump. Just not worth it. I've considered voting for the Green Party, but then people say I'm throwing away my vote. You see how there's no right way? I'm split and I'm very confused, more now than ever. The crazy thing is both parties feel they are the better of the two.
Snopes pointed out "In context, Trump did not say in the passage above that the virus itself was a hoax. He instead said that Democrats’ criticism of his administration’s response to it was a hoax." I'd say that's splitting hairs.
How can any rational person claim Trump thought the virus was a hoax, when he declared it a national health emergency, enacted travel restrictions and started quarantine procedures, way back on Jan 31st?
Would a president do all of this, if he thought the virus was a hoax? No. So don't be silly by disregarding everything else that we know Trump has done, because of one innocuous comment.
Obama spoke very eloquently, but he started wars and drone attacks, released ISIS on the world, destroyed Libya, gave Iran billions, which destabilized the Mid East even more.
I'm all in favor of presidents carefully choosing their words, but it's their actions and the decisions and policies they enact which do harm. Trump did no harm at all by asking a doctor a question. You seem to equate asking a questions as if ii were created harm, that is silly.
Tell the whole story. The money belonged to Iran. A world court was about to rule in their favor, and out penalties on the USA.
I'm old enough to remember proxy wars initiated by the USA.
We differ on ISIS. IMO invading Iraq created ISIS.
All any POTUS knows his his prior knowledge or what the intelligence community wants him to know.
Selling arms to Saudi Arabia is not helping keep the peace in the ME.
For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.
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