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Old 10-19-2020, 06:06 AM
 
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Originally Posted by cuebald View Post
Again with the deflection. The article is about crimes that Trump has been involved in and paid penalties, not about anything anyone else in the known universe has done. Forbes is hardly "the Left" - They are simply reporting what has happened.

If Biden had done the things Trump did in the article, would you consider them to be crimes? Yes or no, without trying to change the subject, please. That gets really old, and it isn't effective.
Many on the left are too ignorant of the facts to know that paying penalties does NOT make you a criminal.

 
Old 10-19-2020, 06:15 AM
 
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Those of us who grew up in the New York metro area are very familiar with the actions of Donald Trump over the course of many years. For every good move he made in one area, perhaps a charitable donation, he'd make 10 moves backwards in his business dealings and personal life. In other words, he was a "real sleaze" most of the time.


If Biden's life had mirrored Trump's at even a 10% rate of both his good and bad deeds, he would have been thrown out of office ages ago.
" and personal life." Dems are ALWAYS "concerned" about a repub's "personal life" and TOTALLY IGNORE the "personal life" of ALL dems going all the way back to J. Edgar Hoover, jfk and the rest of the kennedy clan, teddy even KILLED a young woman, NOT his wife he was partying with, and crickets, bill clinton, weiner, winestein and MANY others.

Funny how that is!
 
Old 10-19-2020, 06:21 AM
 
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It's an opinion millions share ...millions more, than people who don't share it. Opinions can move mountains and also move that "lying tub of lard Trump", out of the White House. That's just my opinion!
Did you pick hillary the last time?
 
Old 10-19-2020, 06:29 AM
 
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Let us recall that President Trump was impeached on two articles:



1. Obstruction of Congress, covered by:




"Section 1505 of Title 18, United States Code, as amended by the Victim and Witness Protection Act of 1982, forbids anyone from corruptly, or by threats of force or by any threatening communication, influencing, obstructing, or impeding any pending proceeding before a department or agency of the United States, or Congress. In 1996 Congress enacted a clarifying amendment to 18 U.S.C. § 1515, which defines the term "corruptly" as used in section 1505 to mean "acting with an improper purpose, personally or by influencing another, including making a false or misleading statement, or withholding, concealing, altering, or destroying a document or other information." False Statements Accountability Act of 1996, Pub. L. No. 104-292, §3, 110 Stat. 3459, 3460.


Section 1505 also specifically prohibits anyone from withholding, misrepresenting, removing from any place, concealing, covering up, destroying, mutilating, altering, or by other means falsifying any documentary material, answers to written interrogatories, or oral testimony that is the subject of a proper investigative demand under the Antitrust Civil Process Act, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1311-14, with the intent of avoiding, evading, preventing, or obstructing compliance, in whole or in part, with that demand."


See: https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/...-proceeding-18


See also: https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/RL34304.html


2. Abuse of Power, which is covered by the High Crimes and Misdemeanors clause of the Constitution.





Although the US Senate found President Trump 'not guilty' of these two offenses, by the wording of the Constitution Mr. Trump cannot be pardoned for these offenses.



So, if Mr Trump resigns, and Mr. Pence becomes President (based on hypothetical of Mr. Trump losing the election), Mr. Pence can certainly pardon Mr. Trump (as Ford did Nixon) but he cannot pardon Mr. Trump for those impeached offenses (hence Mr. Nixon, a very good attorney, resigned before he could be impeached by the House).



I also think that post-Trump investigation will reveal his violating the emoluments clause of the Constitution.



What would Justice Scalia say about the meaning of 'emolument'? Would he not want to know how the word was defined back when the Constitution was drafted? Yes, he would have.



From an article:



"John Mikhail, a professor at Georgetown Law School, set out last winter to research that evolution. "Prior to maybe December of 2016, I had not given much thought to the word," he said.


Mikhail told NPR he and his researchers looked at all the known dictionaries between 1604 and 1806 that define emolument -- 40 books in all. He said only three gave definitions in ways favorable to Trump, "kind of a narrow, even technical meaning, tied to the salary or official duties of an office," while the other 37 used "a broader meaning that would encompass sort of the profits of ordinary market transactions."


Almost all of the dictionaries used the word profit in their definitions. The two other go-to words were advantage and gain."


See: https://www.npr.org/2017/09/05/54800...n-of-emolument


Thus, if Justice Scalia were alive, and if he were being honest with his theory of originalism, then he would go with the 37 definitions.



I imagine that the post-Trump investigations will reveal other crimes concerning his children (look for Mr. Trump, if he decides to resign, to pardon his children first), as well as himself.

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Of course, the cases being investigated by the State of New York must not be ignored.
"Let us recall that President Trump was impeached on two articles:"

"impeached" only means CHARGED. He was found "not guilty" And you want to come off a some kind of legal EXPERT!

Millions of people are "charged every year and found NOT GUILTY.

"if Justice Scalia were alive," IF is all we have heard for almost 4 years.

"John Mikhail, a professor at Georgetown Law School," And Prof. Johnathan Turley, ALSO from Georgetown Law School, says otherwise.

"I imagine", a LOT! time to live in the REAL world.
 
Old 10-19-2020, 06:36 AM
 
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If "Presidential Incompetence" was a crime, Trump would be "overwhelmingly guilty".
Well at least he isn’t Biden, who can barely speak, have a thought 8n his head...and of course is complicit with China and Russia....his son and he are as guilty as hell
 
Old 10-19-2020, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I would gladly list all Bidens crimes. I do not want to be dinged again or have another post deleted.
Lets see he is rich from being a Vice President how is that possible well his son Hunter enters the picture and he and Joe make deals with China, Russia...Joe is a hypocrit
 
Old 10-19-2020, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Those on the left never cease to amaze.
Those who are accused are guilty because they'd been accused...but only if it is someone the left doesn't like.
Those who face a court of law and are acquitted, are guilty...but only if it is someone the left doesn't like.


Like you said in your first post ....
Cool, Bro - But no one ever found enough dirt on Hillary to indict her for anything to be acquitted of doing.
 
Old 10-19-2020, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Which is illegal. You can't commission a grand jury to try to find crimes committed by a particular person.
What do you think a Grand Jury does for a living, then? They are convened only when there is credible evidence that a crime may have been committed, and their sole function is to investigate it, as well as any crimes that may arise during the investigation.

It's not like it's a witch hunt where people stand around and scream "Lock Her Up!" over and over for no particular reason except that don't like her..
 
Old 10-19-2020, 07:34 AM
 
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And what does that tell you about the two grand juries in New York?
That they received a tip of some sort that there was criminal activity.
 
Old 10-19-2020, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Where has forbes posted his CRIMINAL RECORD for these "crimes" he has committed?

It is EASY to make claims. Backing them up is another story altogether.

"Trump supporters bluntly ask "What crime did Trump commit?" when someone posts about his alleged shady dealings.

If you don't know the difference between "committed" and "alleged"......!
I know deflection when I see it.

Care to take a stab at answering the original question? "Would Trump's actions be acceptable or criminal if they were committed by his opponent?"

The floor is yours.
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