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the fascio-socialist liberals will never tell you these few other pieces of history
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When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. – Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President of the United States
the 2nd amendment is very specific.........the RIGHT of the PEOPLE shall not beINFRINGED
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""""That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals ..."""-- James Madison
meanwhile leftists have for a century been looking to take away the guns....why...power over the people
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This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future! – Adolph Hitler, 1935, on The Weapons Act of Nazi Germany
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"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subordinate people to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subordinate people to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations
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"Waiting periods are only a step., Registration is only a step., The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." Janet Reno
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"Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed
when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sarah Brady
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"We're bending the law as far as we can to ban... guns." Rahm Emmanuel
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"There is no reason for anyone in this country -- anyone except a police officer or military person -- to buy, to own, to have, to use a handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is toprohibit all guns." Bill Clinton
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"A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the people." Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
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"If the opposition (citizen) disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves." Josef Stalin
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2019: “Bingo!” said Biden after CNN’s Anderson Cooper asked whether “a Biden administration means they’re going to come for my guns.”
Biden went on to say: “You’re right if you have an assault weapon. The fact of the matter is, they should be illegal, period. Look, the Second Amendment doesn’t say you can’t restrict the kinds of weapons people can own.”
interesting how the liberals, fascists, nazi's, communists are the ones who want gun control....hmm
the anti-gun people (and yes many are liberals) never can figure out that they are hurting the law abiding citizens, because crooks/criminals/scum dont care about the laws or restrictions on getting a gun
Communist Rules for Revolution:
1. Corrupt the young; get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial; destroy their ruggedness.
2. By specious argument cause the breakdown of old moral virtues; honesty, sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness.
3. Encourage civil disorders and foster a lenient and soft attitude on the part of government toward such disorders.
4. Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.
5. Get people's minds off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books, plays, and other trivialities.
6. Get control of all means of publicity.
7. Destroy the people's faith in their natural leaders by holding the latter up to contempt, ridicule and obloquy (disgrace).
8. Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with a view to confiscation and leaving the population helpless.
yep liberals (fascists) and their goal to disarm the people
and they cant even figure out what the 2nd amendment means.. or how abolishing it would also abolish the 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments too
What if a person's magazines and semi auto rifle isn't for sale ? And why should they register them, they were bought legally. What then ?
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Register them and you’re good to go.
Until about next week, when the gun-rights-haters decide that the benefits they expected to get from gun registration didn't materialize, and they announce that they need a few MORE "reasonable gun restrictions". Just a few, quite minor, don't worry, it's no big deal.
And then not too long after that, when they find that those additional restrictions weren't enough either....
You turn the weapon in, or you register it (pay a fine to keep it), or? What is the "else" condition, please explain.
I’m not aware of any monetary fine attached to the proposal. If you refuse to comply with the law then you would be in violation of said law, isn’t how that typically works?
I’m not aware of any monetary fine attached to the proposal. If you refuse to comply with the law then you would be in violation of said law, isn’t how that typically works?
We're getting somewhere.
So I purchased an item quite legally yesterday. Today the law decided that the purchase now has new conditions that I must meet in order to not violate a new law that did not exist yesterday. When I bought the item, it did not require registration. Today it does.
That means that yesterday, if I did nothing after that purchase, I am perfectly law abiding. Today, if I do that same nothing, I am breaking a law. My inaction is now illegal. I have done no action that harms others, but my lack of doing a thing is now considered a criminal act.
Government has declared me a criminal without my having done a single thing. They are claiming my inaction to be criminal.
Not sure why you cannot see this, or why the concept of ex post facto is escaping you?
So I purchased an item quite legally yesterday. Today the law decided that the purchase now has new conditions that I must meet in order to not violate a new law that did not exist yesterday. When I bought the item, it did not require registration. Today it does.
That means that yesterday, if I did nothing after that purchase, I am perfectly law abiding. Today, if I do that same nothing, I am breaking a law. My inaction is now illegal. I have done no action that harms others, but my lack of doing a thing is now considered a criminal act.
Government has declared me a criminal without my having done a single thing. They are claiming my inaction to be criminal.
Not sure why you cannot see this, or why the concept of ex post facto is escaping you?
I understand what you’re saying, I’m just saying that it does not bother me personally. If this is ever enacted, which I’m pretty confident it won’t be any time soon, I will happily register any high-capacity magazine assault weapons that I own in order to be legally compliant.
And a very small fraction of gun deaths. Vast majority every year are single person handgun related
But that's not the issue. Gun rights are constitutionally protected as a check against government tyranny. It's the last stand to everything the people hold dear and I don't know if you understand this yet so you should take a minute to realize, this is a line people will not allow the government to cross.
It's a hard line that will absolutely trigger a civil war if they attempt to take away your right to defend your life and liberty. They can continue to defund the police, refuse to prosecute criminals and even let them out of prison but this they will never be able to do, people would rather die than live under the boot of an oppressive government
this is really the main go to reasoning, period. the intelligent forefathers saw this exact point. they were not gun crazy, they were smart. if the government has all the weapons the people have no power. they forsaw the potential for gov going out of control and the people unable to rise up.
people, it ALL starts small. we cant give one inch.
1. Corrupt the young; get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial; destroy their ruggedness.
2. By specious argument cause the breakdown of old moral virtues; honesty, sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness.
3. Encourage civil disorders and foster a lenient and soft attitude on the part of government toward such disorders.
4. Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.
5. Get people's minds off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books, plays, and other trivialities.
6. Get control of all means of publicity.
7. Destroy the people's faith in their natural leaders by holding the latter up to contempt, ridicule and obloquy (disgrace).
8. Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with a view to confiscation and leaving the population helpless.
yep liberals (fascists) and their goal to disarm the people
and they cant even figure out what the 2nd amendment means.. or how abolishing it would also abolish the 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments too
This list here is worth quoting for future reference. Liberals think we are entering a new socialist Utopia where technology will bring us spiritually enlightened peaceful oneness and tolerant and yet we have a party that's using many of these same tactics to try to gain power now why would they be doing that? History is just going to end up repeating itself in time unless we use genetic engineering to undo the worst traits biologically wired into our species. Guns keep tyranny from gaining a strong foothold and the number of gun deaths in the grand scheme of things is trivial compared to the amount of lives of good law-abiding people that get saved by using them not to mention the number of abortions that are performed which I've mentioned already in other threads.
the amount of time we've had relative world peace has been short in the history of humanity people think it's going to continue forever I would be careful with such wishful thinking.
I understand what you’re saying, I’m just saying that it does not bother me personally. If this is ever enacted, which I’m pretty confident it won’t be any time soon, I will happily register any high-capacity magazine assault weapons that I own in order to be legally compliant.
An ex post facto law that invents criminals out of thin air doesn't need to be bothersome to one person for it to violate the US Constitution's explicit ban on ex post facto laws.
Declaring the doing of nothing in a perfectly harmless way to be illegal is antithetical to every last word and letter in the rule of law. Whether it bothers you or doesn't makes it no less a gross offense to that rule of law.
Be glad the individual liberty zealots like me care enough to shriek about this kinda stuff. It's what helps you retain what few liberties you have left.
I understand what you’re saying, I’m just saying that it does not bother me personally. If this is ever enacted, which I’m pretty confident it won’t be any time soon, I will happily register any high-capacity magazine assault weapons that I own in order to be legally compliant.
Even though, every time throughout history that the govt starts confiscating your guns and gun parts, said confiscation ALWAYS starts with registration... so the govt knows who has them and where they live?
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