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Old 10-24-2020, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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So you're being disingenuous, as I know you're "smart"
oh, I have no doubt that, just as apparently many homeless people have flocked to CA, the CA population would swell with people from nearby states who didn't want to pay for their medical care or couldn't. Probably even some believers in "socialized medicine" that can afford care.
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Old 10-24-2020, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Population differences don't mean squat, unless you're trying to imply that all our extra population is poor, which is false. Fact: we have more millionaires and more billionaires than any country in the world in terms of raw numbers
You make me chuckle. You have no idea how business works, or how supply and demand works, or even apparently how bloated every single government agency is, but you argue that the size of the population makes no difference.

The size of the population makes every difference when talking about a national healthcare system. The more people being serviced, the more layers of administration required. The more layers of administration you have, the more wasted spending you have.

Our government is incapable of doing the majority of the tasks which are currently within its purview in an efficient and economic manner as it is, and you think it could do so with a mandate to provide healthcare to the entire population? Sheesh.
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Old 10-24-2020, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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You make me chuckle. You have no idea how business works, or how supply and demand works, or even apparently how bloated every single government agency is, but you argue that the size of the population makes no difference.

The size of the population makes every difference when talking about a national healthcare system. The more people being serviced, the more layers of administration required. The more layers of administration you have, the more wasted spending you have.

Our government is incapable of doing the majority of the tasks which are currently within its purview in an efficient and economic manner as it is, and you think it could do so with a mandate to provide healthcare to the entire population? Sheesh.
Nope, that's right wing paranoia. You claim to be a libertarian, but espouse so many Republican talking points
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Old 10-24-2020, 09:56 AM
 
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What year did we get off the gold standard?

Do you think that fundamentally changing our economic system might have had more of an effect on it than where a small percentage of labor came from?

Just sayin’.
Small percentage of labor ? Wow, if you think those are the only jobs lost....you are completely uninformed.
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Old 10-24-2020, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Nope, that's right wing paranoia. You claim to be a libertarian, but espouse so many Republican talking points
Have you ever run a business? Ever worked at a level higher than peon in the corporate world? From the displayed ignorance in your posts, I’m guessing the answer is no.
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Old 10-24-2020, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Have you ever run a business? Ever worked at a level higher than peon in the corporate world? From the displayed ignorance in your posts, I’m guessing the answer is no.
That has what to do with the price of tea in China? Countries with single payer healthcare still have private business and corporations
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Old 10-24-2020, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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That has what to do with the price of tea in China? Countries with single payer healthcare still have private business and corporations
I asked the question in order to determine if you had any experience running a business or even being in corporate management. If so, you would at least have some basis on which to build your arguments. Considering that you answered me with an attempt to discuss something completely different from the topic of national healthcare I’m pretty sure you’re either being intentionally obtuse or you simply have no idea how convoluted such an undertaking would be.
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Old 10-24-2020, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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I asked the question in order to determine if you had any experience running a business or even being in corporate management. If so, you would at least have some basis on which to build your arguments. Considering that you answered me with an attempt to discuss something completely different from the topic of national healthcare I’m pretty sure you’re either being intentionally obtuse or you simply have no idea how convoluted such an undertaking would be.
It wouldn't be convoluted. If it was, then no country on earth would have single payer.....
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Old 10-24-2020, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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It wouldn't be convoluted. If it was, then no country on earth would have single payer.....
Ah, we are back to comparing the United States with countries which have a fifth of our population and nothing resembling the constitutional limits placed on our federal government. I’m not running through that circle again, so have a nice day.
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Old 10-24-2020, 11:14 AM
 
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Australia's system is the way to go. ...
Trump seems to have approved of it at one time as well. At least, he DID complement them on it in one fawning moment.

"You have better health care than we do."
Donald J. Trump | May 4, 2017

Let's give it a look.

The Australian health system

Australia’s Healthcare System - at a glance
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Australia’s Healthcare System is one of the most comprehensive in the world; offering a range of services from general and preventative health, through to treating more complex conditions, that may need a specialist, or hospital care.

The system has two major parts: the public health system, and the private health system. When you need health care, you could access it through one of two systems, or a mix of both.
Trump and the Republicans had two years to take a plan like this and make it their own plan for our people, but they did nothing. Why?

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Countries Spending Most on Healthcare
The following 2019 list ranks the top 18 in terms of spending on healthcare per capita according to the OECD.1
  1. United States
  2. Switzerland
  3. Norway
  4. Germany
  5. Austria
  6. Sweden
  7. Netherlands
  8. Denmark
  9. Luxembourg
  10. Belgium
  11. Canada
  12. France
  13. Ireland
  14. Australia
  15. Japan
  16. Iceland
  17. United Kingdom
  18. Finland
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