Why 220,000 Americans are dead (drug, attorney, accuse, insurance)
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A global SARS / Covid - 19 Pandemic affecting all countries (not just the US)? Almost a quarter million dead here? Over 1 million dead worldwide? Hoax and Fake news. Created by all governments around the world of all government types (both friendly and hostile to the US) just to hurt the US President. All countries, of all governments, all around the world, in the over 1 million dead (including the US) are artificially inflating their numbers to hurt the US President. This is just a bad case of the flu.
Trump is why. His mismanagement is responsible for the 220K deaths so far. And as Biden pointed out, Trump also orphaned more than 500 kids. But "they are being taken care of so well", as he would say. America is aghast that he should say that orphaning kids would somehow be OK.
The US government will pay a dear price for Trump's orphaning of so many children. Just another Trump debt to the younger generation to have to deal with.
There is no way of knowing if Clinton would have responded differently.
Likely, she would not have imposed restrictions on travel from China as soon as Trump did. Given, China had already contained the virus in Wuhan, not clear it would have made a difference. The Trump restrictions did not prevents Americans from returning nor families of US people from visiting. Not much was done to isolate these arrivals.
Maybe, flights from Europe would have been stopped sooner. Maybe not.
Would Covid risks have been downplayed for 10 months?
Would a Clinton Admin dragged its feet on invoking the defense act as it related to ventilators, PPE and test kits?
Would unsubstantiated claims been made Covid would go away by Easter?
Would Hillary’s SIL been appointed to oversee the task force, despite zero qualifications?
Would Hillary have sought to hurt Fauci’s credibility?
Would Hillary have promoted Hydroxy as a cure? How about bleach?
Would Hillary have hosted a Rose Garden event of mostly unmasked people, ignoring any semblance of social distancing?
Would the Republican - controlled Senate once again denied a hearing of a Clinton nomination to the SCOTUS?
Faced with the same composition of the Senate and House as exists, there is no certainty another round of stimulus would have been issued. McConnell does not have the votes within his party to do anything.
Only thing certain, Republicans would be blaming Clinton for X deaths.
It's funny that people can't/won't see the contradiction here.
The CDC themselves have given the data that 94% of the deaths attributed to covid were with people with 2 or more comorbidities. Thus, this virus is more efficient at killing when the individual has other health factors that weaken their overall ability to fight it off. Those comorbidities then, were a statistically obvious and relevant CONTRIBUTING FACTOR in their death "from" covid.
But, oh no, that's not obesity's fault...it am teh diabeetus and teh heart dizeezuz. Uhm...welcome to how to one condition makes other conditions more likely and more powerful.
What, pray tell, do you think is the FAR AND AWAY #1 UNDERLYING CAUSE of heart disease and diabetes in this country? Hint - it isn't bad luck. Obesity is that underlying cause. Just as obesity is the underlying cause making heart disease and diabetes more prevalent and powerful, so too are heart disease and diabetes the underlying cause of making covid more powerful.
So yeah, Winterfall nailed this. It's an ugly truth nobody wants to face and they want to exorcise their inner demons by vomiting it all at the feet of the person most disconnected from and least capable of affecting their individual life. Truth nonetheless. Americans are fat and lazy, and covid is clearly an effective tool of Darwinism.
I have heart disease in my family and no one that has it has done anything to contribute to it. No smoking,drinking,drugs or obesity.
I have a friend who has been diabetic since she was 10 yrs old. She is over 60 & did NOT bring this onto herself with bad habits.
You and Winterfall think so highly of yourselves I just don't know how the rest of us could ever meet your approval. Ask me if I give a dam.
Americans kill themselves, and I don't care about them.
No doubt the feeling is mutual.
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Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer
Anyone notice how no one dies from anything but Covid now? What happened to dying normally?
You don't read obituaries, do you?
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Originally Posted by Igor Blevin
Not by hoax, but I do recall the Florida motorcycle crash fatality that was listed as a "Covid death".
That was corrected, so you'll have to find another canard on which to hang any incorrect assertions.
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Originally Posted by Three Wolves In Snow
1 million out of a population of over 7 Billion, globally.
Do the math on that.
There is no "pandemic".
That's not what pandemic means.
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Originally Posted by Pilot1
Most of the 220K that are dead were old, sick and died of something else than Covid. That is the sad reality the MEDIA and Democrats don't want you to know. That's the hoax, not the virus itself.
We're all going to die someday, of COVID-19 or "something else". But does that mean we should try to stop thousands of people from dying today of a disease that may be slowed by simple tasks like wearing a mask, avoiding groups of people, and washing our hands?
Millions poured in from hot spots in Europe in the weeks- months before most travel was shut down This put infected masses into the population. NY has the busiest subway system in the US.
Right now NYC has one of the lowest infection rates in the US.
If ND were a country, it would currently be among countries with the highest infection rate. Hopefully the public is taking the necessary precautions to protect themselves and their vulnerable populations.
The good news seems to be that those hospitalized are surviving at higher rates than they were earlier this year because treatment has evolved.
Unlike NY and NJ (and PA and MI), nobody else sent sick patients back into nursing homes.
Many states required Covid positive residents to be readmitted to their nursing home residences, WHEN the nursing home had the ability to isolate suction residents and employees had adequate PPE.
Most nursing homes are for profit and an empty bed is a loss of revenue. No telling how many nursing homes did not isolate infected residents. There is no question, PPE was inadequate nearly everywhere including nursing homes.
Until recently, employees of nursing homes were rarely tested due to a national shortage of tests. It’s likely employees brought the infection into nursing homes.
Last spring a nursing home in Joliet made the decision to suspend all interaction amongst guests. The dining room was closed. Orderly was assigned the function of unpacking, assembling and delivering TV trays to private guest rooms. Guy was symptomatic but continued to work because no work- no pay. He died and over the following weeks complications of Covid took out most guests. Whoosh. All gone.
Only 4 states did that-NY, NJ, PA and MI. NY did it over the objection of the nursing homes. I remember the stink at the time. The nursing homes were very unhappy. It made no sense. But NY did it anyway and thousands died.
Not by hoax, but I do recall the Florida motorcycle crash fatality that was listed as a "Covid death".
So we are at the point where we can no longer trust the numbers when death by motorcycle accident is so incorrectly attributed.
The other thing about the 220,000 deaths is that they are mainly in people over 80 years old. How much longer would that 90 year old guy have lived if he had not caught Covid? Nobody ever considers that question.
Or someone 75 years old in their 6th month fighting cancer. They may be on deaths door as the chemo isn't working, but they contract Coronavirus and their death is listed "Covid" even though they were weeks or days from dying of cancer.
It is getting to the point where you can't trust the attributions listed on the death certificate.
What we don’t know is how many were sick as dogs for weeks but never required hospitalization or were on death’s doorstep when finally hospitalized. Unlike POTUS, Average Joe is not hospitalized out of an abundance of caution. No one monitors Average Joe’s vitals and oxygen levels. Average Joe is not treated with a high dosage cocktail of meds and steroids., if hospitalized.
I have no doubt the covid death numbers have been padded.
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In the current climate, anyone with a positive test for Covid-19 will certainly be known to clinical staff looking after them: if any of these patients dies, staff will have to record the Covid-19 designation on the death certificate—contrary to usual practice for most infections of this kind. There is a big difference between Covid-19 causing death, and Covid-19 being found in someone who died of other causes. Making Covid-19 notifiable might give the appearance of it causing increasing numbers of deaths, whether this is true or not. It might appear far more of a killer than flu, simply because of the way deaths are recorded.
I'd be more interested in seeing the average monthly US death numbers for say the last 10 years. Compare these numbers to the number of deaths since Feb, 2020. Most likely any additional deaths now would be virus related. This may take a few months to get an accurate tally.
There is no way of knowing if Clinton would have responded differently.
Likely, she would not have imposed restrictions on travel from China as soon as Trump did. Given, China had already contained the virus in Wuhan, not clear it would have made a difference. The Trump restrictions did not prevents Americans from returning nor families of US people from visiting. Not much was done to isolate these arrivals.
Maybe, flights from Europe would have been stopped sooner. Maybe not.
Would Covid risks have been downplayed for 10 months?
Would a Clinton Admin dragged its feet on invoking the defense act as it related to ventilators, PPE and test kits?
Would unsubstantiated claims been made Covid would go away by Easter?
Would Hillary’s SIL been appointed to oversee the task force, despite zero qualifications?
Would Hillary have sought to hurt Fauci’s credibility?
Would Hillary have promoted Hydroxy as a cure? How about bleach?
Would Hillary have hosted a Rose Garden event of mostly unmasked people, ignoring any semblance of social distancing?
Would the Republican - controlled Senate once again denied a hearing of a Clinton nomination to the SCOTUS?
Faced with the same composition of the Senate and House as exists, there is no certainty another round of stimulus would have been issued. McConnell does not have the votes within his party to do anything.
Only thing certain, Republicans would be blaming Clinton for X deaths.
Pathetic. You repeat several media lies(hydroxy, bleach). And you know the Democrats called Trump all kinds of names for stopping the China flights. It was not contained in China at that time. And a lot of Democrats criticized Trump for stopping the European flights as well.
Pelosi was telling everyone there was nothing to worry about. Keep doing tourism. Come to Chinatown. Cuomo and De Blasio were saying it was life as usual. Don't be afraid of the subway. Not everyone has such selective memory as you. Trump was taking it seriously while Democrats treated it as a joke. Now Democrats are still trying to scare people (but its all "political theater" to quote the PA dem governor) and Trump is properly treating it as something to be concerned about but not something to shut down the country over.
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