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You'd think, but it's easier to hide in your house than take charge of your health. All these unhealthy people want to cry about others not wearing masks instead of losing weight, improving their diets and getting their health conditions under control.
And I don't believe for one second that younger, healthy people can die from this virus or suffer permanent damage.
You must not hear about the 19-year-old runner in NC who died from COVID-19 or the 150 plus 50 years and younger deaths in Tennessee.
Younger and healthier gives you much better odds but you are fooling yourself and everyone else if you think this only significantly impacts older and unhealthier people.
I'm thinking of which countries suffered more than others, and the diets they're on. It seems to me pre-existing conditions has a lot more to do with who has exacerbated symptoms and who doesn't. Let's be honest, America's diet sucks in general, as a populous. Look at Japan's diet. Look at their numbers. Look at norther Europe, and even China.
It should be a substantial wake up call for many. It is just that the Pandemic hit so abruptly, and then the social change that most likely made it even harder for people to lose weight through diet and exercise. So far.
That isn't fat shaming, or being mean, or scolding, or anything of the sort. All covid did was add itself to the list of possible reasons why being obese is just not real good for you. Diabetes, heart disease, arthritis, life expectancy, etc were already on the list. Covid just jumped up and made a severe and immediate statement about comorbidities.
You'd think all the other stuff would have gotten people to clue in already, but I guess since the other stuff doesn't kill you outright inside of 14 days like covid can, it's easier to ignore or dismiss. Plus, a ton of people make the excuse about "having a history of" whatever comorbidity was caused by obesity. Heart disease tops that list. This is another place covid shocks the culture, because you can't wave it off like heart disease and diabetes. There's no family history or genetic predisposition excuse. It is a comorbidity evaluator, if nothing else.
It should indeed be a wake up call, for basic hygiene and overall health and fitness. What's the first rule of Zombieland?
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Originally Posted by fivenine
You must not hear about the 19-year-old runner in NC who died from COVID-19 or the 150 plus 50 years and younger deaths in Tennessee.
Younger and healthier gives you much better odds but you are fooling yourself and everyone else if you think this only significantly impacts older and unhealthier people.
The fact is that 94% of the deaths related to covid were people with 2 or more comorbidities, and the most common of those comorbidities were either morbid obesity or health issues directly related to or caused by morbid obesity.
You're absolutely right that being younger and healthier gives you better odds, but you are absolutely wrong about who is most significantly impacted, because it is the older and unhealthier. Don't take my word for it, just ask the CDC. 94% is a pretty significant majority.
And take covid out of the picture, and just think of all the things that are made possible or made worse by both obesity (which can be prevented) and aging (which cannot be helped)? Age >70 is already an unavoidable, obvious comorbidity. We all get to deal with that one, assuming the good Lord let's us get to 70+. NO avoiding aging, and Father Time is 100.00% undefeated. Almost every other comorbidity out there can be eliminated or diminished in severity with a focus on health and fitness, with body fat composition being the easiest to individually and voluntarily control.
No, there isn't a guarantee. Hell, the guy who literally wrote the book on running, Jiim Fixx, died from a heart attack while running. After autopsy however, guess what two of his predispositions were that even with a serious running regimen, led to his heart attack? Prior to taking up his fitness craze, he was....wait for it....a smoker and...wait for it...morbidly obese. He had a congenital enlarged heart comorbidity at birth, but his voluntary actions drastically exacerbated that comorbidity. Did running "cure" him? Nope. But you are not going to find too many cardiologists out there who will discourage doing cardiovascular/aerobic exercise 3-4 times per week simply because of the Jim Fixx exception. They are not giving a guarantee that aerobic exercise will make you immortal, but I doubt too many of them will actively forbid you from increasing your cardio fitness. Go find any 100 cardiologists in America, and evaluate their personal fitness level and favorite form of exercise. When you do, you'll be about 95 people into forming a pretty serious long distance running club. There's a reason that damn near every cardiologist in this country looks like a marathon runner. Not a lot of morbidly obese smokers in the cardiologist ranks....wonder why that is?
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The bold completely twists what I said about health care providers talking to patients about weight loss.
I think you and I are on different wavelengths. I clearly am struggling to understand what you are trying to point out all through this thread. The whole gist of my discussion was about excess weight being a factor in having more adverse outcomes with COVID. There was never any challenge to whether or not health care provides talk to patients about weight loss. Of course they do.
I'm thinking of which countries suffered more than others, and the diets they're on. It seems to me pre-existing conditions has a lot more to do with who has exacerbated symptoms and who doesn't. Let's be honest, America's diet sucks in general, as a populous. Look at Japan's diet. Look at their numbers. Look at norther Europe, and even China.
Well, it has become obvious that the answer for unhealthy Americans is government paid health insurance and depending on vaccines and other Big Pharma to get them by. The issue is "personal responsibility". While some do have issues for which they have not self-inflicted, the majority have issues related to obesity of which is a "personal responsibility" issue. Even seniors, of which I am one and know many, have done well or not even contracted the "virus" if they didn't have additional health issues, again mostly related to obesity (heart, kidneys, lungs, circulation..........) add smoking, excessive alcohol use, illegal drug use........
I am tired of "you stay home", "you wear a mask", etc. thus making me responsible for someone else's health. Maybe they exercise and eat a healthy diet to be ready for the next pandemic, I mean, they want me to be responsible for their health, so "get off the sofa and stop stuffing your face with fast food/junk food".
No mask. I boycott businesses that require them. I am responsible for my health, and others are responsible for theirs. https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress...OBDZhG-lscddEMhttps://pdmj.org/ Myself and my family destroying their health because someone else doesn't care about their health, nope! Those that are immune-compromised need to take precautions, again "personal responsibility".
The time to start thinking about one's ability to fight off or avoid an illness isn't when it starts circulating!
Some guy keeps putting up threads about letting the olds die. Maybe we should just let the fatties die...
Interesting to note that those who receive food stamps have the highest obesity rate (source: USDA) both adults AND children. So they cost taxpayers money for food stamps PLUS health care to treat their obesity-related diseases (heart disease, diabetes, etc.)
I'm thinking of which countries suffered more than others, and the diets they're on. It seems to me pre-existing conditions has a lot more to do with who has exacerbated symptoms and who doesn't. Let's be honest, America's diet sucks in general, as a populous. Look at Japan's diet. Look at their numbers. Look at norther Europe, and even China.
Because too many ignore the truth. A twisted agenda will do that.
Sadly, I don't think you need COVID to show and/or prove how unhealthy Americans are, all you need to do is look at the percent obesity and the number deaths each year related to heart disease (which are largely preventable) in the US to see that Americans have been unhealthy for a long, long time, way before COVID ever came onto the scene!
Shouldn't much of heart disease, some cancers and Diabetes type 2 say the same? We still treat people because none of us live perfectly. These diseases are related to lifestyle choices.
I believe this is a big wake up call to people who are unhealthy. They need to start doing something about it or you'll suffer consequences
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