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Old 10-30-2020, 08:22 AM
 
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I'm also willing to wager this. Many Black people in Virginia never approved of those statues going up either. However, considering that this was during the Jim Crow era, I'm willing to bet that some people kept their mouths shut out of fear. More and more people, both White and Black, are saying no to those statues.
Agreed. This thread is essentially a microcosm; some folks listen & learn, & some folks don't, deny &/or justify.

 
Old 10-30-2020, 08:25 AM
 
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Agreed. This thread is essentially a microcosm; some folks listen & learn, & some folks don't, deny &/or justify.
This thread also shows something else. Not only is it a microcosm, it's also a reminder that some people don't change. It's also a reminder that many people simply do not care.
 
Old 10-30-2020, 11:18 AM
 
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I suppose you think the Saddam statue should have remained standing in Bagdad as well.....
Irrelevant
 
Old 10-30-2020, 12:56 PM
 
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Irrelevant
How?
 
Old 10-30-2020, 01:04 PM
 
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How?
I'd like to know as well.....
 
Old 10-30-2020, 01:21 PM
 
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This thread also shows something else. Not only is it a microcosm, it's also a reminder that some people don't change. It's also a reminder that many people simply do not care.
I certainly do not care about wanton, misguided fools who want to destroy historical monuments.

I care about history and preserving the past, not destroying it. Only idiots assume that by destroying a monument you suddenly change the course of history or past political sentiments they may represent.

The statues on monument avenue (we always called it 2nd place avenue) and the museums are one of the few things tourists actually came to see in Richmond. Great idea- cut tourist revenue and make a crap hole even worse.
 
Old 10-30-2020, 03:38 PM
 
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I certainly do not care about wanton, misguided fools who want to destroy historical monuments.

I care about history and preserving the past, not destroying it. Only idiots assume that by destroying a monument you suddenly change the course of history or past political sentiments they may represent.

The statues on monument avenue (we always called it 2nd place avenue) and the museums are one of the few things tourists actually came to see in Richmond. Great idea- cut tourist revenue and make a crap hole even worse.
Yup. Don’t like it, ignore it and move along.
 
Old 10-30-2020, 04:48 PM
 
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Good another racist traitors memorial removed!
 
Old 10-30-2020, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Placitas, New Mexico
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ge/3758415001/

The American Taliban strikes again!

Anyone who has ever been to Richmond is familiar with the statues of Confederate heroes along "Second Place Avenue". Those who survived the war face one way, and those who died face the other.

Removing HISTORY is idiocy. Remember when the Taliban was destroying historic icons along the old Silk Road? The world was aghast that barbarians would destroy relics that would be lost forever.

Fast forward to the US and we have the American Taliban doing the same. Banning books, "cancel culture" and tearing down statues is what totalitarians do, not free people who welcome open discourse.

Regardless of people's "feelings" toward the Confederacy, it is HISTORY which cannot be changed. Lee had a difficult decision- as an officer in the army, he had a choice of supporting his state or the federal government. He chose his state, as did many of those who served the Union. After the war, Lee was helpful in unifying the nation again.

People need to read a little about Lee before attacking his legacy and tearing down reminders of history.

What should be done with the statues? The best solution would be to move them to a Civil War battle site. If one goes to such sites (I have been to many), there are MANY such monuments there, both north and south. Interestingly, the sites of Confederate victories do not have many monuments relative to sites of Union victories.
Removing them peacefully and legally is fine. Why let stand a monument to a traitor? Move it to a museum.
 
Old 10-30-2020, 04:58 PM
 
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Well, a new twist. While several residents on Monument Ave. want the statue to remain which is under appeal, a larger group of over 50 Monument Ave. residents have asked the Court to to accept their brief in support of removing the statue.
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