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Old 11-02-2020, 05:10 PM
 
Location: southern california
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This is not a recognition of accomplishments to which every president is entitled regardless of their popularity
This is just another expression of contempt
Of course we don’t have to look far to see why
We can look at history’s other 2 hated men
Lincoln and Washington
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Old 11-02-2020, 05:14 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Which do you consider lies? And if they're lies, why don't you refute them? For instance, name any other president running for re-election who ranted that everything was rigged, and we shouldn't trust our votes to count.

I do post all kinds of other things, too. I recently posted an interesting bipartisan poll asking for predictions, which seems to have disappeared. I thought it would be fun to see if our predictions turned out to be accurate, and if our predictions necessarily mirrored our parties.
I wouldn't call them lies, just your opinions. While I share your opinion that Trump is a low life scumbag and quite deserving of scorn, he has achieved more than you stated. A POTUS gets the credit for the good and the bad that happens on his watch. It isn't always fair but it is what it is.

Under Trump:
1. Americans no longer need to call a taxi to put our own people in space. Happened on his watch he gets credit. We lost the ability on Obama's watch and Obama got that credit.

2. He promised a wall and has delivered on it, or at least a damn good start, in spite of the Democrats.

3.Until Covid 19 Our economy was roaring. Yes he mismanaged that but then he had a lot of help from states like NY, Mass, PA and NJ. That and all those billions spent on the CDC were evidently not well spent dollars because the CDC absolutely choked.

4. Although not enough he did rework NAFTA. He should have ended it. It was and is a bad deal for the USA.

5. He has called out the NATO members who are dead beats and free loaders. That was a good thing.

6. Justice Amy Barrette is a gift. She is far more qualified than Thomas or Sotomayor.

Thats about it for what Trump accomplished. Not much, but more than you mentioned.
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Old 11-02-2020, 05:37 PM
 
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But not necessarily admirable ones.

1. In a fairly short time, he has undermined the basic American faith in their own elections to an extent that is unparalleled in our contemporary history. It's the kind of thing you normally only find in openly autocratic countries. In recent history, the only dubious elections seem to be ones won by Reps (like Bush) but, still, what Trump has done openly is mind-boggling.

2. Also, by the contempt toward him from all people with integrity and conscience - who respect the concept of democracy and the Bill of Rights, and even civil norms - triggered by his lawlessness and essential meanness, he has motivated people to vote, even the normally non-voting Dens, reminding them that they are themselves a rare majority. I hope they remember that in the future.

And yet you can easily find American citizens who feel their elections have been undermined by Democrats and their media allies. And please, please don't speak to us about "civil norms" when there has been five months of riots, arson, assaults, murders, destruction of businesses, livelihoods, and people's employment.
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