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How on Earth was a black man able to win all these honky-tonk states and counties?
And that was 12 years ago too. Seriously, I have no clue how he was able to pull it off.
Do you ask how white presidents manage to win say "racial jungle counties"? Remember those were the exact words Biden used (in a different context), but everyone knew it was directed at a certain group.
As to Obama, he came along when people were sick of war, and the economic collapse of the housing market sent shockwaves through our country. Frankly, had Hillary won the (D) nomination in 2008, she likely would have beaten McCain as well.
So while Obama was gifted, under normal circumstances a political neophyte whose only claim to fame was being a rabble rouser would not have won.
How on Earth was a black man able to win all these honky-tonk states and counties?
And that was 12 years ago too. Seriously, I have no clue how he was able to pull it off.
Obama was a smooth talking fresh face.... he took down Hillary and Biden in the primaries
He told lies like election finance reform, getting rid of lobbyists, closing Gitmo, and that his admin was to be the most transparent...and he won against McCain who lost because he chose a poor running mate in Palin
Bottom Line Up Front (BLUF):
Obozo got elected because he was smooth talking fresh face
The OP seems to want to box Trump voters into being ignorant racists when in reality they are the ones who voted for Obama. Seems skin color was not an issue for them..at least not as big an issue is it is for Democrats. We voted for Obama because we thought this is a guy who might finally make a difference for his people in America. No matter what you think of us we actually wanted to do the right thing. I honestly thought Obama was an outsider and would stand up for what’s right and inspire his people more than any white man ever could. Instead he was an opportunist scum bag empty suit who was only interested in his title, his legacy and trolling the majority white population when something happened like a black criminal getting killed by the cops while committing a crime.
And boy did he and that wife of his love to hang out with the rich white folks at Martha’s Vineyard.
Sure. Just make sure you put that same critical lens on Trump's level of honesty. You know, the guy who said he'd be too busy working as President to golf?
Why? I know Trump lies. Obama and Democrats portray themselves as honest and beyond reproach, when in reality they arent. Its anologues to the peace price, You people still probably think Obama deserves it.
Correct, that Obama never told the "honky tonks" they were racist. Neither did Biden, who's one of them.
The past few years many leftists have went insane with the identity politics and illogical fallacies of woke culture, both of which demonize those that the OP and many other leftists call "honky-tonks"
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Well, one thing is for sure......you know he's not trying to sweet talk you. Sort of the line of thinking in ST: DS 9 when General Martok took Worf with him to try to convince ole what's his face to have the Klingons join the battle for DS 9........if an ally and an enemy are telling him the same thing.........
If an ally and an enemy are trying to tell him the same thing. Maybe. But at the same time, can you really trust someone to "Drain the Swamp" with the following record:
Stiffing of investors and lenders. His refusal to release his income tax returns. The Trump University scam. But at the same time, Trump's character was already on full display. His thousands of lawsuits. His shady associates. All that alone speaks to his honesty and character. That alone shows that I wouldn't trust him to drain the kitchen sink, let alone "the swamp". And that's just the honesty part of his character.
His incompetent non-corrupt business practices. Trump Airlines, Trump Magazine, Trump Steaks, etc. How can you trust someone like that to be the "leader of the free world"?
Treatment of others, leadership style. Corrupt business leaders and politicians come and go, but attacking the dignity and personhood of people is much worse, even in practical everyday matters. No matter how squeaky clean a manager is, he or she won't gain people's trust and respect (and achieve high efficiency in businesses and government) if they dehumanize people under them. It diverts workers' energies and attentions from actual job performance and toward office politics survival - mutual schmoozing, "turf wars", backscratching power cliques. In this environment, the "winners" tend to be the best office politicians, and "yes-(wo)men", who are not necessarily the best job performers. The more independent-minded, honest, even job talented people leave - so productivity or quality thereof declines. So even if Trump were a model of honesty and squeaky-clean, his ideas of what "good leadership" and even "inspiration" and "motivation", are are simply distorted - based more on street smarts and negative motivation than inspiration, positive motivation, and helping the team's weakest members be better versions of their real selves. And this is before we get to the next point.
Bigotry, especially the more socially acceptable forms of it (ableism, lookism, caricature-drawing of trivial if unappealing traits, and in general my personal term "image bigotry"). In short, it suggests such people are undeserving of informal information channels (aka "grapevines"), informal social connections, helping hands, and support in times of trouble that make one's day-to-day business of living less bad and challenging. It also implies the world would be better off if those people never did exist. If that isn't bigotry, I don't know what is.
As for the Obama part, I never brought him up, so that's irrelevant. I only brought up Bernie Sanders, and even then only to contrast him to Trump.
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You glossed over the part where Bernie won Wisconsin and Michigan in his party's primary so by that measure they gave Bernie his chance.
The obvious answer is that Bernie is too much for most people.
My response to TamaraSavannah covers most of this. Beyond this, despite the Clinton Wing's dominance of the Dems - how can working class people think the Republicans would be more likely to adopt affordable health care, lower taxes on the working and middle class, etc than the Democrats would? The Republicans are basically "tax cut" "tax cut" "tax cut" - all of which benefit the wealthy; with the working class simply getting enough crumbs to keep them from being too angry.
How on Earth was a black man able to win all these honky-tonk states and counties?
And that was 12 years ago too. Seriously, I have no clue how he was able to pull it off.
IKR? And so quickly! No long drawn-out process. It was amazing.
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