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Old 02-07-2021, 08:57 AM
 
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You definitely can't trust republicans on the topic. Their leaders are still arguing that marijuana is the moral equivalent of child pornography.
I totally agree, the issue goes beyond the parties, its 'Govt' in general that is against drug use.

 
Old 02-07-2021, 09:01 AM
 
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Aren't you on other threads calling for "believing the experts" and attacking those who question them?
I think you are mistaking me with another poster...


Ive theorized on other threads that this modern day drug prohibition may be a result of our Puritanical heritage. (Govt sees the drugs as EVIL), Ive also suggested the drug laws have been used as a tool of racism, (used against a few different races).
 
Old 02-07-2021, 09:02 AM
 
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I totally agree, the issue goes beyond the parties, its 'Govt' in general that is against drug use.
its not necessarily against drug use as it is one of the largest sellers of drugs. the government is in favor of the criminal justice industrial complex and making things illegal for its special interests. there is a strange belief that there are "good intentions" behind the government's laws which makes no sense. if the government wants to lock you up for consuming drugs; its not because it think its good for society. its because police, judges, lawyers, corrections officers, prisons, etc. etc. all need millions of arrests a year to keep their business going.
 
Old 02-07-2021, 09:08 AM
 
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Some on here may not like to admit it, but the fact is, these tough drug laws greatly benefit the foreign drug cartels!


Without these tough drug laws, the cartels would be out of business. This is one reason why I suspect the DEA is fully in bed with the major drug cartels...


Doesnt it seem strange, that despite how aggressively they enforce these drug laws, the drugs just keep on flowing in with great consistency?!!! At the end of the day, there are only 2 possibilities...either the DEA is ridiculously ineffective or there is collusion.
 
Old 02-07-2021, 09:16 AM
 
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No, it couldn't work because no state can afford the gigantic price tag. Just one example, the cost of a proposed California single payer system is $400 billion a year, or 223% of the entire state budget.

Single payer is very expensive on a federal level. It will require massive tax increases and potentially a VAT tax on all goods.
 
Old 02-07-2021, 09:24 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Some on here may not like to admit it, but the fact is, these tough drug laws greatly benefit the foreign drug cartels!


Without these tough drug laws, the cartels would be out of business. This is one reason why I suspect the DEA is fully in bed with the major drug cartels...


Doesnt it seem strange, that despite how aggressively they enforce these drug laws, the drugs just keep on flowing in with great consistency?!!! At the end of the day, there are only 2 possibilities...either the DEA is ridiculously ineffective or there is collusion.
you act like the fact that the federal government has been in bed with drug cartels for many years wasnt already proven fact. you dont need to say "i suspect," it is known.
 
Old 02-07-2021, 09:28 AM
 
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you act like the fact that the federal government has been in bed with drug cartels for many years wasnt already proven fact. you dont need to say "i suspect," it is known.
Yes, you are right in correcting me on that...however there are a number of CD posters that support the drug laws, that are under the impression law enforcement is 'fighting the good fight'.
 
Old 02-07-2021, 09:29 AM
 
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Some on here may not like to admit it, but the fact is, these tough drug laws greatly benefit the foreign drug cartels!

Without these tough drug laws, the cartels would be out of business. This is one reason why I suspect the DEA is fully in bed with the major drug cartels...

Doesnt it seem strange, that despite how aggressively they enforce these drug laws, the drugs just keep on flowing in with great consistency?!!! At the end of the day, there are only 2 possibilities...either the DEA is ridiculously ineffective or there is collusion.
I have read the CIA would fund some of its off the books covert activities with illegal drug money. I am sure that is still going on now in some fashion.

The cartels will survive either way. They do human smuggling, extortion of businesses, kidnappings and now I read they are trying to control vaccine distribution and get a cut on that. But drugs are by far their most lucrative business. Mexico is looking at changing their drug laws. Legalizing pot. And the government there is looking at working with the cartel on the process.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/12...iminalization/
 
Old 02-07-2021, 09:30 AM
 
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What galls me is that they never included overpriced drugs that would actually benefit tax-paying, employed citizens.

For instance, let people buy veterinary drugs such as heartworm medicines without a prescription. There is no way to treat cats with heartworm and dogs who have heartworm are still treated with preventives so why do people have to pay for a vet visit to get the medications?

What about dermatological creams such as those for rosacea? There is no medical test to tell if the cream is helping or hurting you so why shouldn't we be allowed to buy it without a prescription? All it does now is enable big pharma to charge $100-$200 a tube.
 
Old 02-07-2021, 09:36 AM
 
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What galls me is that they never included overpriced drugs that would actually benefit tax-paying, employed citizens.

For instance, let people buy veterinary drugs such as heartworm medicines without a prescription. There is no way to treat cats with heartworm and dogs who have heartworm are still treated with preventives so why do people have to pay for a vet visit to get the medications?

What about dermatological creams such as those for rosacea? There is no medical test to tell if the cream is helping or hurting you so why shouldn't we be allowed to buy it without a prescription? All it does now is enable big pharma to charge $100-$200 a tube.
Drug dealers will sell you whatever drug you want! (you just have to ask, and give them a little time to obtain it).


Ive seen this happen when I was involved in illegal drugs, doesnt happen much, I think because many people just believe they sell ONLY certain drugs...thats not true, the catch is though...DO NOT ask where they got the drugs!
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