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Old 11-24-2020, 02:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by V8 Vega
Me and 74 million others will always believe the Democrats (Communists) and the media together stole the election, they had it all planned out. Thats why they insisted on mail ballots.

They better get this fixed or there won't be any point in having elections anymore.
Alot of evidence but no one seems to care,aweful.........

 
Old 11-24-2020, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas View Post
Let me explain the rationale for such “assumption”, and why it completely invalidates your “assumption” which you’ve made without providing any basis for it, OK?

Its quite simple really ..... lets take Philadelphia as just one example ... when Pennsylvania decided to halt vote counting early on election night (already a highly unusual and questionable action), Trump was ahead by a HUGE 750,000 margin, yet overnight, this almost insurmountable lead evaporated like magic, and Biden emerged the winner? That on its own should raise eyebrows, even though it is not necessarily evidence of fraud. However, that, coupled with sworn testimony of individuals present, who witnessed large volumes of ballots being carried in through the back door of the center at 4:00 am, IS EVIDENCE of irregular activity, by any reasonable, rational assessment. AND, it is only common sense to understand that in order for such a huge Trump lead to be reversed, this 4:00 am influx of backdoor ballots obviously ALL had to be for Biden, and the analysis of the statistical data afterward shows exactly that .... a huge spike virtually straight upward in vote count for Biden, with Trump votes flat lined. This too is highly dubious from a mathematical improbability perspective, and demands independent examination particularly given the other questionable/illegal actions leading up to election night, such as election board officials making unauthorized changes to legal voting deadlines as stipulated by the Pennsylvania Legislature (the damned law) that they had no authority to make. This was one of the first legal challenges issued, which was unsurprisingly dismissed by the Pennsylvania courts, whose decision was obviously guided by politics and not law, and will no doubt be decided by the SCOTUS. You see, it doesn’t take a legal scholar or expert to understand that laws are made by a legislature, not by bureaucrats and local officials who have no authority to either ignore the law or change a law to their liking.

So, when I hear the left wing media continue repeating the mantra “there is no evidence”, and the mouth breathing, drooling public regurgitate that nonsense, it is a blatant LIE at face value. Sworn affidavits by eye witnesses are indeed considered evidence by every legal standard. You may choose to challenge that evidence ... you may choose not to believe the witnesses .... but it is blatantly false to say there is no evidence, i.e., there are no witnesses and no testimony.

Other very questionable actions that indicate deliberate criminal conduct was planned ahead of time, with efforts to prevent detection was the deliberate exclusion of Republican poll examiners by their democrat vote counters, also testified to in sworn affidavits. Why else would democrat controlled election officials want to deny the legal right of Republican poll examiners from supervising the vote counting, if no nefarious activity was being conducted? Oh yes, for the same reason democrats wanted everyone to receive mail-in ballots .... “the dastardly virus” .... we can’t allow those Republican super spreader/election integrity watchers to get too close to the democrat vote counters, for “safety” reasons, of course!!





This is yet another example of trying to rationalize the irrational results, while deliberately turning a blind eye to the obvious .....

First, we all could see (if our eyes were open) Trump events drawing massive crowds of tens of thousands at each and every event, while Biden events couldn't draw a dozen, even when celebrities attended. This is such a dramatic contrast of popularity, and likely one of the main reasons why Biden chose to (or was instructed to) stay in his basement, rather than remain on the campaign trail like all other candidates understand the importance of doing. In this case, given the complete and total absence of any visible support or following, it was better for him to stay home rather than parade around the country and attend more events no one shows up for, drawing attention to that inconvenient reality, over and over again. Besides, if you have set the stage properly for a rigged election, Micky Mouse can relax in the basement, and doesn’t need to bother campaigning and swaying public opinion, since you have the media reporting for weeks on end how national polls have Micky leading by an insurmountable margin ... conditioning the minds of the masses to accept the predetermined relults!

Now, of all of the anecdotal but very revealing examples .... this one is the REAL LAUGHER ...we have sleepy Joe who can’t draw a crowd of 50 to a political rally, somehow manages to receive more votes for President of the United States of America than any other presidential candidate in the HISTORY of the United States? Is anyone still standing and NOT rolling on the floor laughing (or crying for our country) ? I’d be remiss if I failed to add that there were a few jurisdictions to which Sleepy Joe Biden allegedly received substantially more votes than Obama received in either of his two campaigns .... and Obama was a political ROCKSTAR!!! Please people!!! Grow two brain cells and teach them how to shake hands!!! Nobody was born this stupid .... you really have to work hard to be dumb enough to believe this complete nonsense. The only rational way to explain this recorded breaking number of votes received by Sleepy Joe is that it was this record breaking number that was needed for him to beat Trump, and so thats how many corrupt criminals made sure he received. This also explains why in some areas, not only did the vote count exceed the number of registered voters, but actually exceeded the number of people alive in those jurisdictions, including children who cant vote.

Here, I used Pennsylvania as the example, yet we have very similar situations and results in 5 states key to the overall outcome of the election, all following similar patterns, Trump leading at night, yet losing in the end? All 5? A clean sweep for Biden .... a miraculous run the table, not once, but 5 times? A last second hail marry pass for a touchdown to win, not one Sunday, but 5 Sundays in a row? And each and every one of these states have democrats controlling the major city election centers? But your noses don’t smell anything funny?

You people are DELUSIONAL if you believe this nonsense for a nanosecond. And I haven’t even mentioned the more dramatic evidence of electronic voting system fraud occurring, and the software that runs those systems that was DESIGNED TO ALTER VOTE COUNTS? Thats right, election result manipulation by design, and documented in the system’s own user documentation!!! Why, one should ask, should a voting machine even be capable of altering vote counts in real time, and after the fact? Why should a voting system be capable of running algorithms which can be programmed to switch votes from one candidate to the opponent on a numbers or percentage basis? Why should a voting system be designed to alter the statistical value of a vote ... i.e., a single vote for one candidate counting as 1.25 votes, while the opponents single vote counting as .75 votes? And WHO thinks its a good idea to have US elections results counted off-shore in a foreign nation, as is most definitely the case with Dominion systems running 30 US States election results whose results being tabulated in Germany? Now tell me again with a straight face there is “no evidence of fraud” !

Now in summary, the scenario we have seen unfold is pretty easy to dissect, with relative accuracy ... US Elections have historically beed decided based on the direction of a few swing states. To control the outcome, it is not necessary to manipulate all 50 states. The nation is pretty consistent historically ... the blue states tend to remain blue, Red states, red, so the battle ground or swing states determine the outcome, and in reality you need to control those few only. And that is what happened here. Massive voter fraud on such an unprecedented scale, it is blatantly obvious to any reasonable person.

But the real issue at hand is not about who will be inaugurated president on Jan 20 .... the issue here is just as important to democrats as it is to republicans, and both need to understand that if the shadowy powers that be get away with this election fraud, we are ALL losers in the end, democrats and republicans, libertarians and apolitical types ..... as none of us will have any voice from this moment forward about the policies and direction of this country, and the negative consequences this will surely have on all of our lives. Even for those who hate Trump, and view this as a “end justifying the means”, you are sadly mistaken. Better to endure Trump for 4 more years, than to lose your voices forever.

Speaking to the moderates ... democrats, libertarians, and independents .... there are many, if not most of you who do not ascribe to the radical leftist agenda of hard core socialism/communism ... of defunding police, of eliminating the 2nd Amendment ... of taxing you to death .... of astronomical energy prices based on the radical green new deal insanity .... of eliminating private property rights .... of national shutdowns ... national mask wearing mandates ... etc., well sorry to inform you .... that is what you are enthusiastically celebrating because that is the underlying agenda of those who have orchestrated this fraud, not upon Donald Trump ... not upon those deplorable Trump followers .... but indeed upon YOU, ME, every last one of us whose right to voice their political views, values and opinions at the ballot box ended November 3, 2020. RIP.

Your children, and their children will no longer enjoy the rights you’ve foolishly allowed to be stolen here, and they will curse your stupidity, and rightfully so.
The only reason you wrote an entire page is because Trump lost if he had won you wouldn't care. Admit it be honest.
 
Old 11-24-2020, 02:11 PM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyNTexas View Post
Let me explain the rationale for such “assumption”, and why it completely invalidates your “assumption” which you’ve made without providing any basis for it, OK?

Its quite simple really ..... lets take Philadelphia as just one example ... when Pennsylvania decided to halt vote counting early on election night (already a highly unusual and questionable action), Trump was ahead by a HUGE 750,000 margin, yet overnight, this almost insurmountable lead evaporated like magic, and Biden emerged the winner? That on its own should raise eyebrows, even though it is not necessarily evidence of fraud. However, that, coupled with sworn testimony of individuals present, who witnessed large volumes of ballots being carried in through the back door of the center at 4:00 am, IS EVIDENCE of irregular activity, by any reasonable, rational assessment. AND, it is only common sense to understand that in order for such a huge Trump lead to be reversed, this 4:00 am influx of backdoor ballots obviously ALL had to be for Biden, and the analysis of the statistical data afterward shows exactly that .... a huge spike virtually straight upward in vote count for Biden, with Trump votes flat lined. This too is highly dubious from a mathematical improbability perspective, and demands independent examination particularly given the other questionable/illegal actions leading up to election night, such as election board officials making unauthorized changes to legal voting deadlines as stipulated by the Pennsylvania Legislature (the damned law) that they had no authority to make. This was one of the first legal challenges issued, which was unsurprisingly dismissed by the Pennsylvania courts, whose decision was obviously guided by politics and not law, and will no doubt be decided by the SCOTUS. You see, it doesn’t take a legal scholar or expert to understand that laws are made by a legislature, not by bureaucrats and local officials who have no authority to either ignore the law or change a law to their liking.

So, when I hear the left wing media continue repeating the mantra “there is no evidence”, and the mouth breathing, drooling public regurgitate that nonsense, it is a blatant LIE at face value. Sworn affidavits by eye witnesses are indeed considered evidence by every legal standard. You may choose to challenge that evidence ... you may choose not to believe the witnesses .... but it is blatantly false to say there is no evidence, i.e., there are no witnesses and no testimony.

Other very questionable actions that indicate deliberate criminal conduct was planned ahead of time, with efforts to prevent detection was the deliberate exclusion of Republican poll examiners by their democrat vote counters, also testified to in sworn affidavits. Why else would democrat controlled election officials want to deny the legal right of Republican poll examiners from supervising the vote counting, if no nefarious activity was being conducted? Oh yes, for the same reason democrats wanted everyone to receive mail-in ballots .... “the dastardly virus” .... we can’t allow those Republican super spreader/election integrity watchers to get too close to the democrat vote counters, for “safety” reasons, of course!!





This is yet another example of trying to rationalize the irrational results, while deliberately turning a blind eye to the obvious .....

First, we all could see (if our eyes were open) Trump events drawing massive crowds of tens of thousands at each and every event, while Biden events couldn't draw a dozen, even when celebrities attended. This is such a dramatic contrast of popularity, and likely one of the main reasons why Biden chose to (or was instructed to) stay in his basement, rather than remain on the campaign trail like all other candidates understand the importance of doing. In this case, given the complete and total absence of any visible support or following, it was better for him to stay home rather than parade around the country and attend more events no one shows up for, drawing attention to that inconvenient reality, over and over again. Besides, if you have set the stage properly for a rigged election, Micky Mouse can relax in the basement, and doesn’t need to bother campaigning and swaying public opinion, since you have the media reporting for weeks on end how national polls have Micky leading by an insurmountable margin ... conditioning the minds of the masses to accept the predetermined relults!

Now, of all of the anecdotal but very revealing examples .... this one is the REAL LAUGHER ...we have sleepy Joe who can’t draw a crowd of 50 to a political rally, somehow manages to receive more votes for President of the United States of America than any other presidential candidate in the HISTORY of the United States? Is anyone still standing and NOT rolling on the floor laughing (or crying for our country) ? I’d be remiss if I failed to add that there were a few jurisdictions to which Sleepy Joe Biden allegedly received substantially more votes than Obama received in either of his two campaigns .... and Obama was a political ROCKSTAR!!! Please people!!! Grow two brain cells and teach them how to shake hands!!! Nobody was born this stupid .... you really have to work hard to be dumb enough to believe this complete nonsense. The only rational way to explain this recorded breaking number of votes received by Sleepy Joe is that it was this record breaking number that was needed for him to beat Trump, and so thats how many corrupt criminals made sure he received. This also explains why in some areas, not only did the vote count exceed the number of registered voters, but actually exceeded the number of people alive in those jurisdictions, including children who cant vote.

Here, I used Pennsylvania as the example, yet we have very similar situations and results in 5 states key to the overall outcome of the election, all following similar patterns, Trump leading at night, yet losing in the end? All 5? A clean sweep for Biden .... a miraculous run the table, not once, but 5 times? A last second hail marry pass for a touchdown to win, not one Sunday, but 5 Sundays in a row? And each and every one of these states have democrats controlling the major city election centers? But your noses don’t smell anything funny?

You people are DELUSIONAL if you believe this nonsense for a nanosecond. And I haven’t even mentioned the more dramatic evidence of electronic voting system fraud occurring, and the software that runs those systems that was DESIGNED TO ALTER VOTE COUNTS? Thats right, election result manipulation by design, and documented in the system’s own user documentation!!! Why, one should ask, should a voting machine even be capable of altering vote counts in real time, and after the fact? Why should a voting system be capable of running algorithms which can be programmed to switch votes from one candidate to the opponent on a numbers or percentage basis? Why should a voting system be designed to alter the statistical value of a vote ... i.e., a single vote for one candidate counting as 1.25 votes, while the opponents single vote counting as .75 votes? And WHO thinks its a good idea to have US elections results counted off-shore in a foreign nation, as is most definitely the case with Dominion systems running 30 US States election results whose results being tabulated in Germany? Now tell me again with a straight face there is “no evidence of fraud” !

Now in summary, the scenario we have seen unfold is pretty easy to dissect, with relative accuracy ... US Elections have historically beed decided based on the direction of a few swing states. To control the outcome, it is not necessary to manipulate all 50 states. The nation is pretty consistent historically ... the blue states tend to remain blue, Red states, red, so the battle ground or swing states determine the outcome, and in reality you need to control those few only. And that is what happened here. Massive voter fraud on such an unprecedented scale, it is blatantly obvious to any reasonable person.

But the real issue at hand is not about who will be inaugurated president on Jan 20 .... the issue here is just as important to democrats as it is to republicans, and both need to understand that if the shadowy powers that be get away with this election fraud, we are ALL losers in the end, democrats and republicans, libertarians and apolitical types ..... as none of us will have any voice from this moment forward about the policies and direction of this country, and the negative consequences this will surely have on all of our lives. Even for those who hate Trump, and view this as a “end justifying the means”, you are sadly mistaken. Better to endure Trump for 4 more years, than to lose your voices forever.

Speaking to the moderates ... democrats, libertarians, and independents .... there are many, if not most of you who do not ascribe to the radical leftist agenda of hard core socialism/communism ... of defunding police, of eliminating the 2nd Amendment ... of taxing you to death .... of astronomical energy prices based on the radical green new deal insanity .... of eliminating private property rights .... of national shutdowns ... national mask wearing mandates ... etc., well sorry to inform you .... that is what you are enthusiastically celebrating because that is the underlying agenda of those who have orchestrated this fraud, not upon Donald Trump ... not upon those deplorable Trump followers .... but indeed upon YOU, ME, every last one of us whose right to voice their political views, values and opinions at the ballot box ended November 3, 2020. RIP.

Your children, and their children will no longer enjoy the rights you’ve foolishly allowed to be stolen here, and they will curse your stupidity, and rightfully so.
No new insight here. Just a repeat of the already debunked assertions that have been repeated over and over for the past month. Nothing to back it up.

"How could Biden have won? His rallies were tiny!" Derp.

"Dominion machines were programmed to change votes from Trump to Biden." Nope.

"The U.S. military raided the offices of electronic voting company Scytl in Germany to seize their servers for evidence of manipulation in the 2020 U.S. elections." Ha! Nope.
 
Old 11-24-2020, 02:16 PM
 
7,447 posts, read 2,832,835 times
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyNTexas View Post
Let me explain the rationale for such “assumption”, and why it completely invalidates your “assumption” which you’ve made without providing any basis for it, OK?

Its quite simple really ..... lets take Philadelphia as just one example ... when Pennsylvania decided to halt vote counting early on election night (already a highly unusual and questionable action), Trump was ahead by a HUGE 750,000 margin, yet overnight, this almost insurmountable lead evaporated like magic, and Biden emerged the winner? That on its own should raise eyebrows, even though it is not necessarily evidence of fraud. However, that, coupled with sworn testimony of individuals present, who witnessed large volumes of ballots being carried in through the back door of the center at 4:00 am, IS EVIDENCE of irregular activity, by any reasonable, rational assessment. AND, it is only common sense to understand that in order for such a huge Trump lead to be reversed, this 4:00 am influx of backdoor ballots obviously ALL had to be for Biden, and the analysis of the statistical data afterward shows exactly that .... a huge spike virtually straight upward in vote count for Biden, with Trump votes flat lined. This too is highly dubious from a mathematical improbability perspective, and demands independent examination particularly given the other questionable/illegal actions leading up to election night, such as election board officials making unauthorized changes to legal voting deadlines as stipulated by the Pennsylvania Legislature (the damned law) that they had no authority to make. This was one of the first legal challenges issued, which was unsurprisingly dismissed by the Pennsylvania courts, whose decision was obviously guided by politics and not law, and will no doubt be decided by the SCOTUS. You see, it doesn’t take a legal scholar or expert to understand that laws are made by a legislature, not by bureaucrats and local officials who have no authority to either ignore the law or change a law to their liking.

So, when I hear the left wing media continue repeating the mantra “there is no evidence”, and the mouth breathing, drooling public regurgitate that nonsense, it is a blatant LIE at face value. Sworn affidavits by eye witnesses are indeed considered evidence by every legal standard. You may choose to challenge that evidence ... you may choose not to believe the witnesses .... but it is blatantly false to say there is no evidence, i.e., there are no witnesses and no testimony.

Other very questionable actions that indicate deliberate criminal conduct was planned ahead of time, with efforts to prevent detection was the deliberate exclusion of Republican poll examiners by their democrat vote counters, also testified to in sworn affidavits. Why else would democrat controlled election officials want to deny the legal right of Republican poll examiners from supervising the vote counting, if no nefarious activity was being conducted? Oh yes, for the same reason democrats wanted everyone to receive mail-in ballots .... “the dastardly virus” .... we can’t allow those Republican super spreader/election integrity watchers to get too close to the democrat vote counters, for “safety” reasons, of course!!





This is yet another example of trying to rationalize the irrational results, while deliberately turning a blind eye to the obvious .....

First, we all could see (if our eyes were open) Trump events drawing massive crowds of tens of thousands at each and every event, while Biden events couldn't draw a dozen, even when celebrities attended. This is such a dramatic contrast of popularity, and likely one of the main reasons why Biden chose to (or was instructed to) stay in his basement, rather than remain on the campaign trail like all other candidates understand the importance of doing. In this case, given the complete and total absence of any visible support or following, it was better for him to stay home rather than parade around the country and attend more events no one shows up for, drawing attention to that inconvenient reality, over and over again. Besides, if you have set the stage properly for a rigged election, Micky Mouse can relax in the basement, and doesn’t need to bother campaigning and swaying public opinion, since you have the media reporting for weeks on end how national polls have Micky leading by an insurmountable margin ... conditioning the minds of the masses to accept the predetermined relults!

Now, of all of the anecdotal but very revealing examples .... this one is the REAL LAUGHER ...we have sleepy Joe who can’t draw a crowd of 50 to a political rally, somehow manages to receive more votes for President of the United States of America than any other presidential candidate in the HISTORY of the United States? Is anyone still standing and NOT rolling on the floor laughing (or crying for our country) ? I’d be remiss if I failed to add that there were a few jurisdictions to which Sleepy Joe Biden allegedly received substantially more votes than Obama received in either of his two campaigns .... and Obama was a political ROCKSTAR!!! Please people!!! Grow two brain cells and teach them how to shake hands!!! Nobody was born this stupid .... you really have to work hard to be dumb enough to believe this complete nonsense. The only rational way to explain this recorded breaking number of votes received by Sleepy Joe is that it was this record breaking number that was needed for him to beat Trump, and so thats how many corrupt criminals made sure he received. This also explains why in some areas, not only did the vote count exceed the number of registered voters, but actually exceeded the number of people alive in those jurisdictions, including children who cant vote.

Here, I used Pennsylvania as the example, yet we have very similar situations and results in 5 states key to the overall outcome of the election, all following similar patterns, Trump leading at night, yet losing in the end? All 5? A clean sweep for Biden .... a miraculous run the table, not once, but 5 times? A last second hail marry pass for a touchdown to win, not one Sunday, but 5 Sundays in a row? And each and every one of these states have democrats controlling the major city election centers? But your noses don’t smell anything funny?

You people are DELUSIONAL if you believe this nonsense for a nanosecond. And I haven’t even mentioned the more dramatic evidence of electronic voting system fraud occurring, and the software that runs those systems that was DESIGNED TO ALTER VOTE COUNTS? Thats right, election result manipulation by design, and documented in the system’s own user documentation!!! Why, one should ask, should a voting machine even be capable of altering vote counts in real time, and after the fact? Why should a voting system be capable of running algorithms which can be programmed to switch votes from one candidate to the opponent on a numbers or percentage basis? Why should a voting system be designed to alter the statistical value of a vote ... i.e., a single vote for one candidate counting as 1.25 votes, while the opponents single vote counting as .75 votes? And WHO thinks its a good idea to have US elections results counted off-shore in a foreign nation, as is most definitely the case with Dominion systems running 30 US States election results whose results being tabulated in Germany? Now tell me again with a straight face there is “no evidence of fraud” !

Now in summary, the scenario we have seen unfold is pretty easy to dissect, with relative accuracy ... US Elections have historically beed decided based on the direction of a few swing states. To control the outcome, it is not necessary to manipulate all 50 states. The nation is pretty consistent historically ... the blue states tend to remain blue, Red states, red, so the battle ground or swing states determine the outcome, and in reality you need to control those few only. And that is what happened here. Massive voter fraud on such an unprecedented scale, it is blatantly obvious to any reasonable person.

But the real issue at hand is not about who will be inaugurated president on Jan 20 .... the issue here is just as important to democrats as it is to republicans, and both need to understand that if the shadowy powers that be get away with this election fraud, we are ALL losers in the end, democrats and republicans, libertarians and apolitical types ..... as none of us will have any voice from this moment forward about the policies and direction of this country, and the negative consequences this will surely have on all of our lives. Even for those who hate Trump, and view this as a “end justifying the means”, you are sadly mistaken. Better to endure Trump for 4 more years, than to lose your voices forever.

Speaking to the moderates ... democrats, libertarians, and independents .... there are many, if not most of you who do not ascribe to the radical leftist agenda of hard core socialism/communism ... of defunding police, of eliminating the 2nd Amendment ... of taxing you to death .... of astronomical energy prices based on the radical green new deal insanity .... of eliminating private property rights .... of national shutdowns ... national mask wearing mandates ... etc., well sorry to inform you .... that is what you are enthusiastically celebrating because that is the underlying agenda of those who have orchestrated this fraud, not upon Donald Trump ... not upon those deplorable Trump followers .... but indeed upon YOU, ME, every last one of us whose right to voice their political views, values and opinions at the ballot box ended November 3, 2020. RIP.

Your children, and their children will no longer enjoy the rights you’ve foolishly allowed to be stolen here, and they will curse your stupidity, and rightfully so.
tl;dr

If they had something, they wouldn't have failed so bad in court, period.
 
Old 11-24-2020, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Arizona
13,248 posts, read 7,308,440 times
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Rep from Dominion voting system debunks several myths.

 
Old 11-24-2020, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
2,013 posts, read 1,429,204 times
Reputation: 4062
Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyNTexas View Post
Let me explain the rationale for such “assumption”, and why it completely invalidates your “assumption” which you’ve made without providing any basis for it, OK?

Its quite simple really ..... lets take Philadelphia as just one example ... when Pennsylvania decided to halt vote counting early on election night (already a highly unusual and questionable action), Trump was ahead by a HUGE 750,000 margin, yet overnight, this almost insurmountable lead evaporated like magic, and Biden emerged the winner? That on its own should raise eyebrows, even though it is not necessarily evidence of fraud. However, that, coupled with sworn testimony of individuals present, who witnessed large volumes of ballots being carried in through the back door of the center at 4:00 am, IS EVIDENCE of irregular activity, by any reasonable, rational assessment. AND, it is only common sense to understand that in order for such a huge Trump lead to be reversed, this 4:00 am influx of backdoor ballots obviously ALL had to be for Biden, and the analysis of the statistical data afterward shows exactly that .... a huge spike virtually straight upward in vote count for Biden, with Trump votes flat lined. This too is highly dubious from a mathematical improbability perspective, and demands independent examination particularly given the other questionable/illegal actions leading up to election night, such as election board officials making unauthorized changes to legal voting deadlines as stipulated by the Pennsylvania Legislature (the damned law) that they had no authority to make. This was one of the first legal challenges issued, which was unsurprisingly dismissed by the Pennsylvania courts, whose decision was obviously guided by politics and not law, and will no doubt be decided by the SCOTUS. You see, it doesn’t take a legal scholar or expert to understand that laws are made by a legislature, not by bureaucrats and local officials who have no authority to either ignore the law or change a law to their liking.

So, when I hear the left wing media continue repeating the mantra “there is no evidence”, and the mouth breathing, drooling public regurgitate that nonsense, it is a blatant LIE at face value. Sworn affidavits by eye witnesses are indeed considered evidence by every legal standard. You may choose to challenge that evidence ... you may choose not to believe the witnesses .... but it is blatantly false to say there is no evidence, i.e., there are no witnesses and no testimony.

Other very questionable actions that indicate deliberate criminal conduct was planned ahead of time, with efforts to prevent detection was the deliberate exclusion of Republican poll examiners by their democrat vote counters, also testified to in sworn affidavits. Why else would democrat controlled election officials want to deny the legal right of Republican poll examiners from supervising the vote counting, if no nefarious activity was being conducted? Oh yes, for the same reason democrats wanted everyone to receive mail-in ballots .... “the dastardly virus” .... we can’t allow those Republican super spreader/election integrity watchers to get too close to the democrat vote counters, for “safety” reasons, of course!!





This is yet another example of trying to rationalize the irrational results, while deliberately turning a blind eye to the obvious .....

First, we all could see (if our eyes were open) Trump events drawing massive crowds of tens of thousands at each and every event, while Biden events couldn't draw a dozen, even when celebrities attended. This is such a dramatic contrast of popularity, and likely one of the main reasons why Biden chose to (or was instructed to) stay in his basement, rather than remain on the campaign trail like all other candidates understand the importance of doing. In this case, given the complete and total absence of any visible support or following, it was better for him to stay home rather than parade around the country and attend more events no one shows up for, drawing attention to that inconvenient reality, over and over again. Besides, if you have set the stage properly for a rigged election, Micky Mouse can relax in the basement, and doesn’t need to bother campaigning and swaying public opinion, since you have the media reporting for weeks on end how national polls have Micky leading by an insurmountable margin ... conditioning the minds of the masses to accept the predetermined relults!

Now, of all of the anecdotal but very revealing examples .... this one is the REAL LAUGHER ...we have sleepy Joe who can’t draw a crowd of 50 to a political rally, somehow manages to receive more votes for President of the United States of America than any other presidential candidate in the HISTORY of the United States? Is anyone still standing and NOT rolling on the floor laughing (or crying for our country) ? I’d be remiss if I failed to add that there were a few jurisdictions to which Sleepy Joe Biden allegedly received substantially more votes than Obama received in either of his two campaigns .... and Obama was a political ROCKSTAR!!! Please people!!! Grow two brain cells and teach them how to shake hands!!! Nobody was born this stupid .... you really have to work hard to be dumb enough to believe this complete nonsense. The only rational way to explain this recorded breaking number of votes received by Sleepy Joe is that it was this record breaking number that was needed for him to beat Trump, and so thats how many corrupt criminals made sure he received. This also explains why in some areas, not only did the vote count exceed the number of registered voters, but actually exceeded the number of people alive in those jurisdictions, including children who cant vote.

Here, I used Pennsylvania as the example, yet we have very similar situations and results in 5 states key to the overall outcome of the election, all following similar patterns, Trump leading at night, yet losing in the end? All 5? A clean sweep for Biden .... a miraculous run the table, not once, but 5 times? A last second hail marry pass for a touchdown to win, not one Sunday, but 5 Sundays in a row? And each and every one of these states have democrats controlling the major city election centers? But your noses don’t smell anything funny?

You people are DELUSIONAL if you believe this nonsense for a nanosecond. And I haven’t even mentioned the more dramatic evidence of electronic voting system fraud occurring, and the software that runs those systems that was DESIGNED TO ALTER VOTE COUNTS? Thats right, election result manipulation by design, and documented in the system’s own user documentation!!! Why, one should ask, should a voting machine even be capable of altering vote counts in real time, and after the fact? Why should a voting system be capable of running algorithms which can be programmed to switch votes from one candidate to the opponent on a numbers or percentage basis? Why should a voting system be designed to alter the statistical value of a vote ... i.e., a single vote for one candidate counting as 1.25 votes, while the opponents single vote counting as .75 votes? And WHO thinks its a good idea to have US elections results counted off-shore in a foreign nation, as is most definitely the case with Dominion systems running 30 US States election results whose results being tabulated in Germany? Now tell me again with a straight face there is “no evidence of fraud” !

Now in summary, the scenario we have seen unfold is pretty easy to dissect, with relative accuracy ... US Elections have historically beed decided based on the direction of a few swing states. To control the outcome, it is not necessary to manipulate all 50 states. The nation is pretty consistent historically ... the blue states tend to remain blue, Red states, red, so the battle ground or swing states determine the outcome, and in reality you need to control those few only. And that is what happened here. Massive voter fraud on such an unprecedented scale, it is blatantly obvious to any reasonable person.

But the real issue at hand is not about who will be inaugurated president on Jan 20 .... the issue here is just as important to democrats as it is to republicans, and both need to understand that if the shadowy powers that be get away with this election fraud, we are ALL losers in the end, democrats and republicans, libertarians and apolitical types ..... as none of us will have any voice from this moment forward about the policies and direction of this country, and the negative consequences this will surely have on all of our lives. Even for those who hate Trump, and view this as a “end justifying the means”, you are sadly mistaken. Better to endure Trump for 4 more years, than to lose your voices forever.

Speaking to the moderates ... democrats, libertarians, and independents .... there are many, if not most of you who do not ascribe to the radical leftist agenda of hard core socialism/communism ... of defunding police, of eliminating the 2nd Amendment ... of taxing you to death .... of astronomical energy prices based on the radical green new deal insanity .... of eliminating private property rights .... of national shutdowns ... national mask wearing mandates ... etc., well sorry to inform you .... that is what you are enthusiastically celebrating because that is the underlying agenda of those who have orchestrated this fraud, not upon Donald Trump ... not upon those deplorable Trump followers .... but indeed upon YOU, ME, every last one of us whose right to voice their political views, values and opinions at the ballot box ended November 3, 2020. RIP.

Your children, and their children will no longer enjoy the rights you’ve foolishly allowed to be stolen here, and they will curse your stupidity, and rightfully so.
Just imagine if this kind of energy were focused on good. And this is the simple version?

I'm just glad somebody's finally thinking of the children.
 
Old 11-24-2020, 02:33 PM
 
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You're some serious kind of desperate here to make a point I guess.

You're the one that said if everyone assumed the courts were infallible we had a problem. Why you think my stating the courts were the system we have implies either failability or infallibility just doesn't follow.

If you paid attention, you would have noticed that I said I would be the first blabbermouth to sign up.

If you work really hard at it, perhaps you can turn that internet list into a kraken. That'll show me.
Because your reply would be meaningless without that context. Read it again:

Proposition: "If the courts are infallible, no-one would be available to correct miscarriages of justice."
Reply: "[That's] the system our founding fathers set up for us."

If you rob your reply of the context of judicial fallibility, it would be non sequitur. Therefore pointless.
 
Old 11-24-2020, 02:50 PM
 
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Let me explain the rationale for such “assumption”, and why it completely invalidates your “assumption” which you’ve made without providing any basis for it, OK?

Its quite simple really ..... lets take Philadelphia as just one example ... when Pennsylvania decided to halt vote counting early on election night (already a highly unusual and questionable action), Trump was ahead by a HUGE 750,000 margin, yet overnight, this almost insurmountable lead evaporated like magic, and Biden emerged the winner? That on its own should raise eyebrows, even though it is not necessarily evidence of fraud. However, that, coupled with sworn testimony of individuals present, who witnessed large volumes of ballots being carried in through the back door of the center at 4:00 am, IS EVIDENCE of irregular activity, by any reasonable, rational assessment. AND, it is only common sense to understand that in order for such a huge Trump lead to be reversed, this 4:00 am influx of backdoor ballots obviously ALL had to be for Biden, and the analysis of the statistical data afterward shows exactly that .... a huge spike virtually straight upward in vote count for Biden, with Trump votes flat lined. This too is highly dubious from a mathematical improbability perspective, and demands independent examination particularly given the other questionable/illegal actions leading up to election night, such as election board officials making unauthorized changes to legal voting deadlines as stipulated by the Pennsylvania Legislature (the damned law) that they had no authority to make. This was one of the first legal challenges issued, which was unsurprisingly dismissed by the Pennsylvania courts, whose decision was obviously guided by politics and not law, and will no doubt be decided by the SCOTUS. You see, it doesn’t take a legal scholar or expert to understand that laws are made by a legislature, not by bureaucrats and local officials who have no authority to either ignore the law or change a law to their liking.

So, when I hear the left wing media continue repeating the mantra “there is no evidence”, and the mouth breathing, drooling public regurgitate that nonsense, it is a blatant LIE at face value. Sworn affidavits by eye witnesses are indeed considered evidence by every legal standard. You may choose to challenge that evidence ... you may choose not to believe the witnesses .... but it is blatantly false to say there is no evidence, i.e., there are no witnesses and no testimony.

Other very questionable actions that indicate deliberate criminal conduct was planned ahead of time, with efforts to prevent detection was the deliberate exclusion of Republican poll examiners by their democrat vote counters, also testified to in sworn affidavits. Why else would democrat controlled election officials want to deny the legal right of Republican poll examiners from supervising the vote counting, if no nefarious activity was being conducted? Oh yes, for the same reason democrats wanted everyone to receive mail-in ballots .... “the dastardly virus” .... we can’t allow those Republican super spreader/election integrity watchers to get too close to the democrat vote counters, for “safety” reasons, of course!!





This is yet another example of trying to rationalize the irrational results, while deliberately turning a blind eye to the obvious .....

First, we all could see (if our eyes were open) Trump events drawing massive crowds of tens of thousands at each and every event, while Biden events couldn't draw a dozen, even when celebrities attended. This is such a dramatic contrast of popularity, and likely one of the main reasons why Biden chose to (or was instructed to) stay in his basement, rather than remain on the campaign trail like all other candidates understand the importance of doing. In this case, given the complete and total absence of any visible support or following, it was better for him to stay home rather than parade around the country and attend more events no one shows up for, drawing attention to that inconvenient reality, over and over again. Besides, if you have set the stage properly for a rigged election, Micky Mouse can relax in the basement, and doesn’t need to bother campaigning and swaying public opinion, since you have the media reporting for weeks on end how national polls have Micky leading by an insurmountable margin ... conditioning the minds of the masses to accept the predetermined relults!

Now, of all of the anecdotal but very revealing examples .... this one is the REAL LAUGHER ...we have sleepy Joe who can’t draw a crowd of 50 to a political rally, somehow manages to receive more votes for President of the United States of America than any other presidential candidate in the HISTORY of the United States? Is anyone still standing and NOT rolling on the floor laughing (or crying for our country) ? I’d be remiss if I failed to add that there were a few jurisdictions to which Sleepy Joe Biden allegedly received substantially more votes than Obama received in either of his two campaigns .... and Obama was a political ROCKSTAR!!! Please people!!! Grow two brain cells and teach them how to shake hands!!! Nobody was born this stupid .... you really have to work hard to be dumb enough to believe this complete nonsense. The only rational way to explain this recorded breaking number of votes received by Sleepy Joe is that it was this record breaking number that was needed for him to beat Trump, and so thats how many corrupt criminals made sure he received. This also explains why in some areas, not only did the vote count exceed the number of registered voters, but actually exceeded the number of people alive in those jurisdictions, including children who cant vote.

Here, I used Pennsylvania as the example, yet we have very similar situations and results in 5 states key to the overall outcome of the election, all following similar patterns, Trump leading at night, yet losing in the end? All 5? A clean sweep for Biden .... a miraculous run the table, not once, but 5 times? A last second hail marry pass for a touchdown to win, not one Sunday, but 5 Sundays in a row? And each and every one of these states have democrats controlling the major city election centers? But your noses don’t smell anything funny?

You people are DELUSIONAL if you believe this nonsense for a nanosecond. And I haven’t even mentioned the more dramatic evidence of electronic voting system fraud occurring, and the software that runs those systems that was DESIGNED TO ALTER VOTE COUNTS? Thats right, election result manipulation by design, and documented in the system’s own user documentation!!! Why, one should ask, should a voting machine even be capable of altering vote counts in real time, and after the fact? Why should a voting system be capable of running algorithms which can be programmed to switch votes from one candidate to the opponent on a numbers or percentage basis? Why should a voting system be designed to alter the statistical value of a vote ... i.e., a single vote for one candidate counting as 1.25 votes, while the opponents single vote counting as .75 votes? And WHO thinks its a good idea to have US elections results counted off-shore in a foreign nation, as is most definitely the case with Dominion systems running 30 US States election results whose results being tabulated in Germany? Now tell me again with a straight face there is “no evidence of fraud” !

Now in summary, the scenario we have seen unfold is pretty easy to dissect, with relative accuracy ... US Elections have historically beed decided based on the direction of a few swing states. To control the outcome, it is not necessary to manipulate all 50 states. The nation is pretty consistent historically ... the blue states tend to remain blue, Red states, red, so the battle ground or swing states determine the outcome, and in reality you need to control those few only. And that is what happened here. Massive voter fraud on such an unprecedented scale, it is blatantly obvious to any reasonable person.

But the real issue at hand is not about who will be inaugurated president on Jan 20 .... the issue here is just as important to democrats as it is to republicans, and both need to understand that if the shadowy powers that be get away with this election fraud, we are ALL losers in the end, democrats and republicans, libertarians and apolitical types ..... as none of us will have any voice from this moment forward about the policies and direction of this country, and the negative consequences this will surely have on all of our lives. Even for those who hate Trump, and view this as a “end justifying the means”, you are sadly mistaken. Better to endure Trump for 4 more years, than to lose your voices forever.

Speaking to the moderates ... democrats, libertarians, and independents .... there are many, if not most of you who do not ascribe to the radical leftist agenda of hard core socialism/communism ... of defunding police, of eliminating the 2nd Amendment ... of taxing you to death .... of astronomical energy prices based on the radical green new deal insanity .... of eliminating private property rights .... of national shutdowns ... national mask wearing mandates ... etc., well sorry to inform you .... that is what you are enthusiastically celebrating because that is the underlying agenda of those who have orchestrated this fraud, not upon Donald Trump ... not upon those deplorable Trump followers .... but indeed upon YOU, ME, every last one of us whose right to voice their political views, values and opinions at the ballot box ended November 3, 2020. RIP.

Your children, and their children will no longer enjoy the rights you’ve foolishly allowed to be stolen here, and they will curse your stupidity, and rightfully so.
Maybe you will be the trump supporter brave enough to answer this :if there was fraud why has no trump lawyer alleged so in court and in fact forcibly argue they are not alleging fraud when questioned by judges?

If there is no fraud why do you want to disenfranchise voters who cast ballots in good faith?


Biden did not have crowds because we are in the middle of a pandemic that has killed 257,000+ Americans, ravaged our economy and pushed millions into financial ruin. It’s not safe

Biden received so much support because America sees trump as a corrupt immoral misogynistic racist who did not represent the values of the American presidency and had to go
 
Old 11-24-2020, 02:55 PM
 
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Because your reply would be meaningless without that context. Read it again:

Proposition: "If the courts are infallible, no-one would be available to correct miscarriages of justice."
Reply: "[That's] the system our founding fathers set up for us."

If you rob your reply of the context of judicial fallibility, it would be non sequitur. Therefore pointless.
You have convinced me.

A raucous mob is definitely the best check for our barely functioning judicial system.
 
Old 11-24-2020, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I suppose laymen can train themselves to be proficient in law, but that isn't the point I was making.

The point is, simply, that the court system is not infallible. Nor is it the only vehicle by which evidence can be assessed. Furthermore, there is more to our intuitive notions of right and wrong than that encapsulable in devices such as legal precedent.

To put it technically, law is not the only epistemic specialty.

To put it in context, knowledge theorists and those people with a background in quantitative fields (data analysts, forensic accountants, auditors) were among the first individuals to raise the alarm regarding the 4 AM Biden Miracle.
The "red mirage" as it is called, was predicted well in advance of the election and was all over the news.

Millions of people, myself included, asked for mail-in ballots because of the normalcy of crowds at polling places, and either returned them early or dropped them off at their local election offices. Several states do not even allow them to be opened, much less counted, before the polls close on election day.

Because of the perception that mostly Democrats would vote by mail and republicans would vote in person, the prediction was that when the polls closed there would be an immediate surge for Trump, but it would change as the mail-in votes were counted. That is exactly what happened. It's not a miracle in the least to anyone who was paying attention.

The SOS in Georgia went so far as to say it's possible that Trump lost Georgia because he tried to suppress voting by mail by representing it as not secure, and republican voters believed him and didn't use that option, but also were afraid to go to the polls in person and didn't vote.

The Axios article goes back to September 1.

https://www.axios.com/bloomberg-grou...e478d42bb.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...perger-claims/
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