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Old 11-10-2020, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Originally Posted by TexasLawyer2000 View Post
Did you fail to read the thread? That's exactly the contract I mentioned.

Operation Warp Speed has production and distribution contracts with Pfizer and provided R&D funding to everyone else but Pfizer. Pfizer did not take money for development of the vaccine. Simply because they were already onboard to build the vaccine before OWS. They were willing to take the risk and didn't need federal funding.. because they knew if they succeeded, the demand would be there (just like they consider for every other drug).
Very true.

A private company decided that, with loads of bureaucratic red tape removed from the process (because of OWS), they would take the R & D risk so they didn't have to follow the red tape which would be imposed on those companies that DID take the R&D money.

If the Pfizer vaccine didn't work, they'd be out their own money.

I hope nothing I've said contradicts this point or yours.

Here's a fairly thorough article that contradicts the OP's claim - expected though it was.

https://spectator.us/pfizer-warp-spe...virus-vaccine/

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Pfizer issued the following statement to The Spectator claiming Dr Jansen’s comments were ‘taken out of context’:

‘Pfizer is proud to be one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine. While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the US government, the company did not accept BARDA funding for the research and development process. All the investment for R&D and manufacturing has been made by Pfizer at risk. Dr Jansen’s comment, which was taken out of context, was just emphasizing that last point.’
I can't imagine the OP would attempt to take something so good out of context.
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Old 11-10-2020, 06:47 AM
 
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Sigh. Folks none of this is complicated.

Pence lied, he truly did try and claim something not true. But also-there IS some credit due to Trump/Pence. While we didn't pay for the development of it, we DID guarantee them sales from it. This made investing in this work a easy decision-even if others were doing so, and Trump helped make that possible. But he cant claim to have paid for its development.


Its great news. But Pences attempt to claim it as a Trump or Pence victory is a lie. They DO deserve some credit, but not that kind of credit.

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HUGE NEWS: Thanks to the public-private partnership forged by President
@realDonaldTrump, @pfizer announced its Coronavirus Vaccine trial is EFFECTIVE, preventing infection in 90% of its volunteers.
doesn't say thanks to Trump. says thanks to the public-private partnership.
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Old 11-10-2020, 06:48 AM
 
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Interesting. So they didn't take the $1.6 billion for development, but they did take $1.9 billion for production and delivery ?

"At the same time, on July 22, Pfizer agreed to a $1.95 billion deal with the Trump administration “for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval.”

Technically, that agreement has nothing to do with the development of the vaccine. But it also appears to undermine the claim that Pfizer is operating entirely outside Operation Warp Speed."

https://news.yahoo.com/so-is-pfizer-...W5bhYPeiGQr322
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Old 11-10-2020, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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So, tell me how Pence lied exactly. He said:

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Thanks to the public-private partnership forged by President @realDonaldTrump, @pfizer announced its Coronavirus Vaccine trial is EFFECTIVE, preventing infection in 90% of its volunteers.
https://fortune.com/2020/11/09/pfize...speed-germany/

Pfizer not receiving funds from the government does not mean that this statement isn't true. Pfizer not getting funds does not mean that Pfizer didn't collaborate (informally or otherwise) with this public-private partnership. If the media was honest, this is what they would be asking, not claiming something was said that was not said.

Those claiming that Pence lied by alleging he said something that he never uttered are pushing fake news and looking rather silly doing so.
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Old 11-10-2020, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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God, that's mean of him. Everyone knows it was Biden who got 'er done.
Exactly. This is messiah-Biden’s vaccine
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Old 11-10-2020, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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So, tell me how Pence lied exactly. He said:



https://fortune.com/2020/11/09/pfize...speed-germany/

Pfizer not receiving funds from the government does not mean that this statement isn't true. Pfizer not getting funds does not mean that Pfizer didn't collaborate (informally or otherwise) with this public-private partnership. If the media was honest, this is what they would be asking, not claiming something was said that was not said.

Those claiming that Pence lied by alleging he said something that he never uttered are pushing fake news and looking rather silly doing so.
it's called "creating the narrative". It works extremely well when you have a means of broadcasting it widely, and willing consumers of information they want to believe.
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Old 11-10-2020, 08:07 AM
 
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it's called "creating the narrative". It works extremely well when you have a means of broadcasting it widely, and willing consumers of information they want to believe.
I've learned long ago when dealing with the mainstream media to actually go to the source and see what someone wrote/said instead of relying on the media spin.

Simply put, in this case the fact that Pfizer didn't receive any government funds does not mean that the public-private partnership "forged" by President Trump is not to thank (in part) for this Pfizer development. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

Now, as I mentioned, a fair question for the media to ask VPOTUS (and Pfizer) is what role--if any--did Pfizer have in interacting (either formally or informally) with the public-private partnership forged by President Trump. But claimining that VPOTUS lied because Pfizer didn't receive public funds from the US government is so laughably nonsensical and ridiculous that I am astounded that some are making it a straight face.
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Old 11-10-2020, 08:36 AM
 
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And One-Term Trump still lost.
Thats all that matters.
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Old 11-10-2020, 08:40 AM
 
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You can't trust Tweets... especially from Politicians.

Let's give credit due where it's due.

Simply put, in this case the fact that the R&D of this vaccine was funded by Germany, we should give Germany for their strong support and partnership in developing the vaccine that appears to be successful in 90% of cases.

Pfizer did receive public funds for the development of the vaccine... just not from the Trump administration.
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Old 11-10-2020, 09:31 AM
 
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If the position is that you can't trust Tweets, especially from politicians, that's fine. But that doesn't mean that a Tweet is a lie. That doesn't mean that people/media types can misstate what a Tweet actually says in an effort to smear the Tweet author.

No, that's a point for seeking clarificaiton from the Tweet author.
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