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Old 11-11-2020, 08:32 AM
 
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Wages went up, after being stagnant for eight years under Obama. And remember, the last quarterly GDP growth trump inherited from Obama in 2016 was a feeble 1.6%.

Sales are up for companies, and so are wages, survey says

As soon as Trump was elected wages started to increase and rose sharply compared to the eight years of Obama.
That's false.

Dude, read the article from where that graph was posted. https://www.factcheck.org/2019/06/ar...ising-or-flat/

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It is true that inflation-adjusted wages (average weekly for production and nonsupervisory workers) peaked in February 1973 at $345.95, and then fluctuated but generally declined, hitting a low point of $263.73 in January 1996. They have again fluctuated since, but they’ve been on a general upward trend. They have increased 2.4% since Trump took office, from an average $308.21 per week to $315.74 per week in May, the most recent figures available from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Technical note: All wage figures cited in this story from BLS are calculated in 1982-84 dollars – not current 2019 dollars.

During Obama’s last four years in office the average weekly earnings for production and nonsupervisory workers went up 4.9%. Over Obama’s entire two-term tenure, wages were up 4.2%.
Even the very graph you posted shows wages were rising sharply under Obama.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:33 AM
 
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The problem is most females that vote with emotions are not really into politics and thus they are not aware of what they are voting for and don't really care, especially, the young adults starting their adult lives. All they know is who is likeable. They need to be better educated on what's going on instead of being fed by propaganda mainstreet media misinformation and trusting that info as the all mighty truth. And, trying to put some reason to why they should be voting with logic is futile. You just can't use logic with someone who is illogical as seen all the time, right here on this forums.
Great post. A lot of truth in it. So many young females are swayed by emotion, propaganda and likeability. They haven't a clue on the issues or how they impact our daily lives.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:35 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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Great post. A lot of truth in it. So many young females are swayed by emotion, propaganda and likeability. They haven't a clue on the issues or how they impact our daily lives.
Do you know why people get sucked into these confidences schemes? Thinking it can't happen to them. Thinking they have some quality that sets them apart. Everyone is eligible to make the same cognitive errors as anyone else.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:38 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Emotion is always going to be an influence. You're probably not going to vote for somebody you just plain don't like, regardless of logic.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Well let's see. You don't go on a national stage and announce you believe Putin over your own intelligence agency. You don't proclaim you know more than our generals when anyone with a IQ above a acorn know this is not true. He didn't start any wars but his incompetence regarding Covid more than made up for the deaths. These are facts not emotions. I honestly gave the man a chance but he simply could not grow into the job.
What incompetence with COVID? Be specific, because people like you make these claims and never have anything to back them up with.

If anyone let the nation down it was the career professionals in our federal agencies who have worked under three or more presidents.

The CDC was so incompetent they could not provide enough test kits to trace and control infection, and the ones they have were contaminated. Even if the CDC did have enough test kits, they were completely unable to perform the number of tests at a rate fast enough to keep up.

Our career federal employees running the national stockpile were also incompetent and had not replenished the PPE and ventilators that they used up during H1N1 and SARS.

The FDA had rules and regulations in place that made it impossible for private medical labs to produce test kits, and prevented them for performing tests. The FDA also prevented medical professionals from using masks used by manufacturing industry which were N95 equivalent masks.

Everywhere we needed federal agencies, especially the FDA and CDC, where they assured us they were supposed to step in and control this virus, they failed us.

None of this was Trump's fault, nor was it Obama's. Neither man could know that these federal agencies were letting us down. I'm sure both presidents asked people like Fauci, "Are we prepared?" and they were lied to, with grand assurances that the CDC, HHS, NIH were ready and had everything under control, until we all found out that they didn't.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Emotion is always going to be an influence. You're probably not going to vote for somebody you just plain don't like, regardless of logic.
That depends on the reasons for why you vote.

If a really nice person said they were going to make it their goal as president to abolish all abortions, would you vote for them? not if you believed in a woman's choice.

If a candidate says they will use the power of the president to increase your taxes, drive up the costs of energy, would you vote for them, just because they had a nice personality?

More people just hated Trump on a personal level, and voted for Biden, just to spite Trump, no other reason. Hate won the day for many people.
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Old 11-11-2020, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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That's false.

Dude, read the article from where that graph was posted. https://www.factcheck.org/2019/06/ar...ising-or-flat/

Even the very graph you posted shows wages were rising sharply under Obama.
I did, the author spent a lot of time justifying the "false" flag by claiming Trump said wages were rising the most in "decades." The false assertions attributed by Trump was because of his exaggerating the "decades" claim.

Even the parts of the article you cited were talking to February 1973 and 1996, which have nothing to do with Trump's claim that wages were running flat under Obama. the author just waded into that to try and disprove how awful the economy was under Obama.

Meanwhile... January 21, 2015

The president's State of the Union speech had a lot of economic highlights. The U.S. had its best year of job growth since 1999. Unemployment is falling, economic activity is increasing. But then:

"Wages are finally starting to rise again," Obama said.
Unfortunately, new numbers published Thursday by the government don't back up that claim.

Related: American jobs are back, but wages aren't. Is this normal now?

Wages basically didn't grow at all in 2014, according to the Labor Department. The median weekly wage at the end of 2014 was $796 (seasonally adjusted). That's barely changed from the same time in 2013, when the weekly wage was $794.

In 2020 it's $994

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Old 11-11-2020, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Care to elaborate with facts? Trump is dropping truth bombs on corrupt DC and the media and they are fighting back with everything they have. He is severely outnumbered but at this point still standing. At some point regular folks who voted for Biden will realize that Trump was fighting for them -- and they made the mistake of their life voting back in a career politician and swamp creature with dementia.
Trump's doing what is best for the nation, not what's best for him. It's crooks like Obama and Biden, and everyone else in politics who get filthy rich while in office Or like Obama, suddenly be worth hundreds of millions after leaving office, mostly due to his sweet Netflix deals. And all he had to do while president, was earn Netflix billions of dollars by pushing thru net neutrality, so Netflix could finally get broadband streaming.


Trump gains nothing being president, in fact he lowers his wealth and income by being president.
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Old 11-11-2020, 09:44 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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Trump's doing what is best for the nation, not what's best for him. It's crooks like Obama and Biden, and everyone else in politics who get filthy rich while in office Or like Obama, suddenly be worth hundreds of millions after leaving office, mostly due to his sweet Netflix deals. And all he had to do while president, was earn Netflix billions of dollars by pushing thru net neutrality, so Netflix could finally get broadband streaming.


Trump gains nothing being president, in fact he lowers his wealth and income by being president.
Nothing in it for Trump?
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Old 11-11-2020, 09:45 AM
 
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Care to elaborate with facts? Trump is dropping truth bombs on corrupt DC and the media and they are fighting back with everything they have. He is severely outnumbered but at this point still standing. At some point regular folks who voted for Biden will realize that Trump was fighting for them -- and they made the mistake of their life voting back in a career politician and swamp creature with dementia.
Google is your friend. You would discount any site i'd give you. Find one you like.
My latest read was Foreign Policy
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