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Old 11-21-2020, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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I see you've never actually, you know, read the Paris Accords.

Withdrawing from the Paris Accords was to help the USA. The unstated purpose of the Paris Accords was to tie yet another boat anchor on the US Economy.
The whole reason that the world wanted the US in the Paris accord was our money.

Take for instance we gave one billion dollars to the accord before we withdrew.
The US has reduced our pollution out put by 17% or so. Meanwhile China and India the two biggest polluters gave zero....yes you read that right 'zero' dollars. The fact is both of those countries would under the agreement would receive money from....I will give you three guesses and the first two won't count.

Mean while both of those countries increased their pollution out put and continued to build coal plants that was allowed by the Paris accord.
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China’s carbon pollution tripled and India’s increased by 157 percent from 2000 to 2018.
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Paris Climate Agreement "did not hold China and India accountable," and that "India didn't have to take any steps in the agreement to reduce CO2 emissions until they received $2.5 trillion in aid. China didn't have to take any steps until the year 2030." Developed countries have pledged to provide $100 billion annually to assist developing countries in reducing emissions of greenhouse gases. The agreement does not specify how much developing countries will receive. However, India estimated a financial need of "at least USD 2.5 trillion" in aid by 2030 to achieve its objectives.
China has pledged to reach peak CO2 emissions by 2030, at the latest, and outlined other programs to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/C...mate_Agreement
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Old 11-21-2020, 01:47 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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The whole reason that the world wanted the US in the Paris accord was our money.

Take for instance we gave one billion dollars to the accord before we withdrew.
The US has reduced our pollution out put by 17% or so. Meanwhile China and India the two biggest polluters gave zero....yes you read that right 'zero' dollars. The fact is both of those countries would under the agreement would receive money from....I will give you three guesses and the first two won't count.

Mean while both of those countries increased their pollution out put and continued to build coal plants that was allowed by the Paris accord.


https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/C...mate_Agreement
Thank you. It is scary how the Democrats can mislead so many people in this country and those people don’t even know it because the media is the Democrats’s propaganda machine and most people rely on that media to know what to think.

The liberal media would never tell the average American these things so people are ignorant of how destructive the Paris Accord is to us and the environment. Many believe the media when they bashed Trump for pulling out of this terrible agreement.
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Old 11-21-2020, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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Absolutely. And quit complaining about leaving fossil fuels while the rest of the civilized world has already turned away from it and has outstripped us. Meanwhile, Trump's idea of progress was to hamstring the EPA and pollute our air and water in the cause of business regulation.

When was the last time the US invented something like this? see link:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...?ICID=ref_fark
Really not true - the US had a decrease in use and your example, Sweden, had an almost 3% increase in use of fossil fuels last year. The last year that the US had a real increase (5% or more) was 1984. Map of fossil fuel changes

The air and water quality improved in the US under the Trump EPA, with 7% better air quality and $40B in new water quality projects. The EPA focused on compliance and enforcement rather than adding meaningless new regulations that did nothing but provided lip service to the far left. It removed the roadblocks that kept businesses ability to manufacture in the US.

Meanwhile the Dems idea of green policy is the Paris accord that the US never signed and did nothing but hamper the US businesses ability to compete with the rest of the civilized world. That is a proposal that does nothing to reduce worldwide pollution since it did not prevent the biggest polluters from continuing.
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Old 11-21-2020, 03:33 PM
 
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Speaking of cliches.
...he says while jamming his fingers in his ears chanting "na, na, na, na, na..."
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Old 11-21-2020, 03:36 PM
 
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The democrats will ruin everything Trump accomplished, because that’s what they do. We will have a deficit like we have never seen before. I pray we take the senate this will keep them in check.
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Old 11-22-2020, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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What's happening here will spread. We have 2 economies. If you want to perform a government contract etc., you need a lot of unrelated regulation taken care of in order to compete in those markets. The prices become exorbitant and based upon things that become removed from what you are doing. You want to perform the janitorial services, well, is your IT security up to XYZ?



The problem is that it then spreads, as it has to, as those companies in turn must require the same from their supply chain. Decision making weakens as criteria are eliminated. Luckily it only got 48% of the vote and failed, but it was going so far as to allow the cities to set the prices I can charge if I choose to lease my properties. FEHA here has gotten it through that companies have No legal defense against harassment/discrimination cases, cases FEHA itself can bring against a company.



So you have a 2nd economy growing, living in ever increasing shades of gray, as people realize there's no way they can be in compliance with every law if they actually want to do something.



Then there's the rest, people that could have started businesses but things get so complex they are afraid to, or afraid to expand an existing business.



I spoke with the banker my company uses and he noted that about 1/3 of all the businesses they worked with stopped proceeding with their PPP loans when they realized they'd have to give up their balance sheet and equity structure to the government.



I wouldn't doubt that the vast majority of Democrats simply want a regulated economy that isn't doing bad things. If you look at the sheer overshoot of requests, it's pretty simple. Don't pollute, teach children, don't be racist, help each other out. The trick is using the propaganda to make a larger portion useful victims. Communists know how to work with this confusion. They won't say how things will be paid for because they know it can't work for everyone. There will be rationing, and that rationing will be controlled by them, based upon criteria of their own design.



Each party has their gross sides, but it's tough to decentralize once centralization sets in. I wish everyone that really thinks they are in favor of this stuff would make some time to sit with someone that fled one of these countries to really understand what they are cheering in. The Intelligentsia 2.0 is most certainly woke.
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Old 11-24-2020, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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The bolded above isn't a lock. We won't know until all the political appointees who actually run the Administration are appointed & confirmed. There is a sizeable block of progressives who agree with you that the US Economy is fragile - yet they see this as the perfect time to "upset the delicate balance" you describe. Never let a good crisis go to waste, and all of that.
Dow 30K for the first time today in part because of because moderate/centrist Janet Yellen's nomination to Treasury. Despite what the Fox/OAN whisper chamber want people to believe, Biden's a moderate sort and his Cabinet picks will go accordingly. The left will get thrown a few bones at the 'Deputy Assistant to the Undersecretary' level and some fun demonstration programs to try to figure out how to return American innovation to greatness.
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