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Old 11-20-2020, 04:27 PM
 
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Possibly, but it won't protect him against New York state charges.
I personally found the explosion of investigations from his rival party once he entered politics (after decades in business) to be as much of a "threat to democracy" as anything Trump has done.

Personally, I think most of it was just to create noise which isn't to say that they won't find things on audit that bring a fine or something but not criminal charges.

If Trump had stayed out of politics and kept donating to politicians around NY those investigations never happen, so let that sink in while you worry about threats to democracy.

P.S. The illegal Saudi cash funneler in California donated money to democrats including Obama and Hillary for 10 years, the minute he donated to Trumps inaugeration....bang, arrested. What a coincidence lmao.
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Old 11-20-2020, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Trump was naive, and totally unprepared to be under the presidential microscope. It's nothing new. Look what they did to Bill Clinton. They tried it with Obama, but he was so clean he squeaked. All they could do was make stuff up. With Trump they didn't have to make stuff up. The guy really is slime, who spent his entire career lying, cheating, and stealing.
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Old 11-20-2020, 09:58 PM
 
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I personally found the explosion of investigations from his rival party once he entered politics (after decades in business) to be as much of a "threat to democracy" as anything Trump has done.
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I get that, but he brought it upon himself.

Public figures attract scrutiny as sure as night follows the day. It happens to every celebrity and anyone in a leadership role, especially presidents.

The problem is that Trump was into so much, and got away with so much before he ran for president, he had a reputation as a scumbag in the business world. Now a lot of people away from New York did not see that about him, for many the TV show was most of what they knew, so the revelations can be shocking.

And three sets of news items hit us very hard right away:
  • Information on the Russian interference in out election was getting out in 2016, and a lot of fake information was circulating in social media. We all saw that. Then the hacking, which Trump appeared to encourage.
  • The Trump campaign intervened in the RNC platform of 2016 ... to fundamentally alter the plank on supporting Ukraine defending itself from Russian surrogates overrunning the eastern provinces
  • One of the first acts of Donald Trump was an attempt to undermine the sanctions put in place on Russia over the annexation of Crimea. It literally started in the first few days, and congress got wind of it.
It was a spooky set of circumstances, Russia interfering in the election, preferring Trump, and then all of these subsequent moves by the Trump campaign to de-fang our response to Russia for attacking Ukraine!

One would have had to be blind not to see it. It looked for all the world like payback for a job well done.

The obsequious Helsinki performance was the icing on the cake. Shameful. I have never seen a president brought so low. I was never, ever ashamed of our presidency until that day.

Of course we saw what we really didn't want to see. It was like the little boy seeing the emperor's 'new clothes' for the first time with eyes wide open ... astonishing ... unbelievable ...

So then, what else is there hiding in plain sight?
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Old 11-20-2020, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Yet another wishful-thinking, mutual-masturbation thread for liberals to gather under, solemnly agree with each other, and pretend that wishing makes it so.
Kinda like Trump being cheated out of an election victory, huh?
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Old 11-20-2020, 10:49 PM
 
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Possibly, but it won't protect him against New York state charges.
Trump is part of the 'elite class'...he WILL NOT be in any jail or prison, no matter what he does.


I have a feeling when these guys get into hot 'legal' water...the county or state prosecutors get together with their lawyers and come up with a 'sum' for the guilty elite to willingly pay up front and this gets them off the hook completely.
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Old 11-20-2020, 10:58 PM
 
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Possibly, but it won't protect him against New York state charges.
While that is technically correct, surely you know better, right?

If the new AG tells New York state to let something go, then it will be let go.

Perhaps the threat of withholding government money, perhaps money changes hands behind the scenes, whatever.

Quit acting like the whole system isn’t for sale.
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Old 11-20-2020, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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Considering that he is a malignant narcissist who was handed an immense amount of power, I do think Trump’s ambitions are a bit more lofty than avoiding jail. I suspect far more nefarious workings are underway behind closed doors but I am admittedly not sure.
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Old 11-20-2020, 11:14 PM
 
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Yet another wishful-thinking, mutual-masturbation thread for liberals to gather under, solemnly agree with each other, and pretend that wishing makes it so.
Classic! LMAO
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Old 11-21-2020, 05:58 AM
 
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Trump was naive, and totally unprepared to be under the presidential microscope. It's nothing new. Look what they did to Bill Clinton. They tried it with Obama, but he was so clean he squeaked. All they could do was make stuff up. With Trump they didn't have to make stuff up. The guy really is slime, who spent his entire career lying, cheating, and stealing.
Yep, if Obama weren't squeeky the D's (aka Team Hillary) would have wiped him out in the primary. Team Hillary was the one that first dug up birth certificate stuff but dropped it only to have the far right go nuts and pick it up.

The only thing that could have hurt him was the pic with Farrakhan that later surfaced but he gets pigment pass for that one. Trump or others (Biden but only the primaries) in a pic like that with the head of the KKK (roughly equivalent) would be like detonating a nuke.
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Old 11-21-2020, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Yet another wishful-thinking, mutual-masturbation thread for liberals to gather under, solemnly agree with each other, and pretend that wishing makes it so.
Gee, why don't you ever start any threads so that we have something to read besides these ones.
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