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Old 11-21-2020, 10:49 PM
 
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What wouldn't have happened?



Well, if you aren't pregnant you won't have a baby. Error in the PR because she was a little large around the waistline?

Ok, so it was just a "regular" home invasion.



Who knew any of what? GF's past history? Why wouldn't "who" know that? What does that have to do with him resisting arrest & having a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system?

Look up GF's criminal record - he's known for carrying a deadly weapon (firearm). So a dispatcher told the cop WHAT, exactly, wasn't necessary?
He wasn’t resisting after he stopped breathing, and I was referring to chauvin showing up, even though he was told not to by the dispatcher. Read the interview police did with Thao, he was there when chauvin heard the dispatch and he was told it wasn’t necessary for him to go.

If you want to investigate a violent past, check out chauvin and thao’s.
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Old 11-21-2020, 10:52 PM
 
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Not necessarily equating to the Holocaust but the indifference towards human life that often becomes a precursor to Holocausts.
No one is rounding up black folks for being black and putting them on trains to eventually end up in gas chambers or shot while standing in front of a large hole in the ground.

Go hit up Omar - who went all "allahu akbar" after Benghazi. On her twitter. What's her precursor? Chick is nutz. But she's liberal, so you lefty morons embrace her as your own.


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The entire “he was just a thug”argument is used every-time a black person is killed by cops. ”Who cares, if he followed the law”...
No.

Don't resist arrest or shoot at a cop and then you won't end up getting killed by a cop (outside of a movie). No matter the color of your skin.

Why is this SO hard to understand?
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Old 11-21-2020, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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No, he didn’t follow any policy or training. Research the protocol, it may be used only until the subject cooperates, then he must release pressure. Not minutes after he stops breathing, is not resisting arrest any longer, because has no pulse.
There was no MPD requirement for the officer(s), right or wrong, to lift knee pressure or render aid prior to an EMS response as it was not considered "lethal force". Post a link to the policy statement if you got one prior to 5/28. But you won't because there is not one.

However, right or wrong, the Democrats that are screaming "defund the police" are the same ones that could have rewritten the policies that they abhor today.

And again, the officers involved will have their day in court. Million's of Holocaust victims will not.
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Old 11-21-2020, 11:07 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Historically, it is a major event in American history because there was nation wide protest over it. Whatever Floyd did in his past, doesn't mean his death was justified. It's not up to the cop to be judge and executionor.

It's historic in that for the first time everyone was united in protest. Police brutality is real, and historically, police and the black community have been at odds with each other because historically cops have treated people in the black community like trash.
So are they going to put a memorial up for every violent criminal that dies of a Fentanyl overdose?
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Old 11-21-2020, 11:12 PM
 
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So are they going to put a memorial up for every violent criminal that dies of a Fentanyl overdose?
See there is the issue.

No, not everyone that is killed.

Here, let me lay it out for you:

I agree, a George Floyd exhibit is like “ok, that’s weird”. Just saying I see where they are coming from. But I think they could have done better than making it about floyd.
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Old 11-21-2020, 11:27 PM
 
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There was no MPD requirement for the officer(s), right or wrong, to lift knee pressure or render aid prior to an EMS response as it was not considered "lethal force". Post a link to the policy statement if you got one prior to 5/28. But you won't because there is not one.

However, right or wrong, the Democrats that are screaming "defund the police" are the same ones that could have rewritten the policies that they abhor today.

And again, the officers involved will have their day in court. Million's of Holocaust victims will not.
Yes, there is a requirement to stop, after deescalating. It can be used to deescalate, not interfere with the airway, then must discontinue. Prone and cuffed is not resisting. A suspect who had no pulse and isn’t breathing does not need to continue to be deescalated. That’s the point.

Another error in your thinking: the police were never defunded. A large amount did resign though, because they claimed ptsd from the job they knew they were supposed to perform.

And that is not the subject of this thread.
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Old 11-21-2020, 11:44 PM
 
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No one is rounding up black folks for being black and putting them on trains to eventually end up in gas chambers or shot while standing in front of a large hole in the ground.

Go hit up Omar - who went all "allahu akbar" after Benghazi. On her twitter. What's her precursor? Chick is nutz. But she's liberal, so you lefty morons embrace her as your own.
Like I said, not equating, but sincee the Holocause is about shedding light on people indifference towards the loss of human life due to racial prejudice, it sort of fits the element of racism in today's US.

IDK much about Omar I'm guessing it's RW exaggeration or taking her out of context?

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No.

Don't resist arrest or shoot at a cop and then you won't end up getting killed by a cop (outside of a movie). No matter the color of your skin.

Why is this SO hard to understand?
shooting at a cop, ok, but resisting isn't a death sentence. A cop has the power to end your life and get away with it, especially if you are black.
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Old 11-21-2020, 11:53 PM
 
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He wasn’t resisting after he stopped breathing, and I was referring to chauvin showing up, even though he was told not to by the dispatcher. Read the interview police did with Thao, he was there when chauvin heard the dispatch and he was told it wasn’t necessary for him to go.

If you want to investigate a violent past, check out chauvin and thao’s.
Have you investigated GF's violent past?

Why/when did he stop breathing? Knee on neck or did Saint George OD on fenty in the meantime? Did the knee on neck just exacerbate the inevitable given his high as a kite on drugs along with his comorbidities ME
report?

The ME report stated that GF would have died from the amount of fentanyl in his system. No questioning a thing if he had died alone, at home. (Politico.com)

So here's where it gets sketchy: Would GF had reacted the way he did if NOT high as a kite? Well, given his record, who knows? Was he always high when committing all of the crimes he did?

Stand up citizen? Not by a long shot. Play stupid games with drugs and go out in public while high; win stupid prizes.

Does that mean that cops should restrict airways while subduing an idiot? No.

Does that mean that the knee on neck is what killed GF? No.

Does this mean that GF should be lauded like he was an innocent victim of the Holocaust? No, and it's DISGUSTING that it's being compared. GF wasn't some little innocent rounded up and put in a concentration camp.
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:14 AM
 
Location: southern california
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To canonize a hardened criminal who hurt so many
How disrespectful to put such nonsense with a legitimate memorial
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:17 AM
 
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Have you investigated GF's violent past?

Why/when did he stop breathing? Knee on neck or did Saint George OD on fenty in the meantime? Did the knee on neck just exacerbate the inevitable given his high as a kite on drugs along with his comorbidities ME
report?

The ME report stated that GF would have died from the amount of fentanyl in his system. No questioning a thing if he had died alone, at home. (Politico.com)

So here's where it gets sketchy: Would GF had reacted the way he did if NOT high as a kite? Well, given his record, who knows? Was he always high when committing all of the crimes he did?

Stand up citizen? Not by a long shot. Play stupid games with drugs and go out in public while high; win stupid prizes.

Does that mean that cops should restrict airways while subduing an idiot? No.

Does that mean that the knee on neck is what killed GF? No.

Does this mean that GF should be lauded like he was an innocent victim of the Holocaust? No, and it's DISGUSTING that it's being compared. GF wasn't some little innocent rounded up and put in a concentration camp.
He could have died a lot of ways on different days from different methods, he did not die at home alone. He died of asphyxiation with a knee on his neck, held in place, prone and handcuffed, not resisting, no pulse, dead with a knee on his neck.

Sure he could have died of an overdose, if this was more than he normally took, the fact is he died in police custody. Not what could have happened, but didn’t.

The photographer can have an exhibit at The Holocaust Center and include a face a prejudice that he sees fit, if you don’t like it, don’t go see it.

We’ll have to agree to disagree.
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