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Old 11-22-2020, 11:08 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Originally Posted by eddie gein View Post
It is highly annoying that these people cannot take the word of people who are actually engaged in the actual work. The ones who actually know what is happening.

However, I would suggest you consider this same perspective when it comes to the people who actually work in the polling place.

What have we learned? Hospital workers and Doctors are leisurely cashing in on the COVID crisis. And Poll workers are all cheating for Biden.

This is pretty much the standard position of your fellow Trump conservatives.
Well, that is a bit of a thread jack, but in one case people are dying and in the other, we are just prolonging the inevitable, which is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Personally, I have accepted that Trump lost, but I don't see the harm in letting it play out.
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Old 11-22-2020, 11:19 AM
 
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I had to pull these numbers for another thread, but I think this deserves to be highlighted here.

82,100 people are currently in the hospital for Covid across the country.

US population is roughly 328,000,000

That's about 3/10ths of 1 percent of the entire population.

There are 3,898 hospitals in the country and 775,251 beds, roughly 200 beds per hospital.
https://www.ahd.com/state_statistics.html

About 21 people per hospital have Covid and about 10.5% of the beds are taken with Covid patients. Meanwhile hospitals have eliminated all kinds of elective surgery - they just are not doing them - freeing up beds. In fact many hospitals right now are struggling financially and have less patients than they otherwise would have.

Conclusion: I'm saying right here that the media is lying again about how bad this pandemic is.
Sadly in some places, people have moved from the hospital to the morgue.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-n...d-19-overflow/
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/cor...t-15673877.php
https://dayton247now.com/news/corona...enter-of-virus
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...rebound-429753
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt...cases-73792757
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-hospitalizations
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/healt...day/index.html
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Old 11-22-2020, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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So, again I will ask, how far do people have to travel when the hospitals are on bypass?
It depends on what the issue is.

If your needs are a full blown hospital, 15-30 minutes.

If you have an ouchie, 10 minutes to a stand alone ER.

But no one is getting turned away with serious issues, even on bypass.
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Old 11-22-2020, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I am here to learn. Give me more information.
Covid at its worst needs ICU help for patients to recover.

The problem isn't in the number of hospitals, nor the number of beds in them. It's in the number of ICU units- the bed, supporting med equipment, zone safety and equipment, and greater number of personnel who are specialists in intensive care.

It's much more than just a bed, and more than a bed and a ventilator.
The name 'Intensive Care' indicates what it is; the highly intensive, last-ditch care that can pull a dying human from the edge of death when nothing else can. Only the sickest of the sick ever need such extensive care.

And the sickest people always require the slowest recoveries. Once an intensive care patient gains enough strength and health that the care is no longer needed, they go to a normal recovery bed in a hospital to finish getting back on their feet again.

In all the rural states, and out here in the far west, where there's still more empty space than people, there are many tiny little towns that are so small they can't afford to have a local hospital. A hospital simply costs too much every day to be affordable.

So, for basic health care, a small clinic, or a small doctor's group works well enough. Most small towns are within a short flying distance to a larger city with a full hospital in it. These days, hospitals have helicopter companies that make their money doing med evac and rescue flights.
In normal times, these flights serve the little towns well enough. Non-emergency hospitalization allows families to drive the patient to the hospital too.

Living in the country does provide some safety from some common health problems. Covid didn't spread out in the country as quickly as it spread in the big cities.
But it still survived in the countryside, so eventually, it began to spread. And now, in this 2nd and 3rd wave of the virus, the country spread has added hundreds of sick patients to the hundreds of city patients. And many of them from either place need to be in an ICU unit to survive.

Placing them in a normal hospital bed won't help them very much. But it could spread the virus through the ward, which would then have to be de-contaminated, taking that ward out of action when it's also needed.

Once an ICU is full, it could stay full for weeks while the patients inside are recovering enough to be moved out.
So when they're full, all the others who may be dying will simply have to wait for their turn inside the ICU. They may die before they ever get there, or they may walk out of an ICU in a month's time to go home, well enough to go home, where complete recovery may take many months.

Who lives and who dies becomes a roll of the dice. Someone gets lucky, someone else doesn't. The ICU care determines the difference between life and death. If country people have filled up all the ICU units, city people will come and die.
If city people have filled up the ICU units, thehe n the country people who are sick with Covid will come and die.

The hospital wasn't built with a pandemic in mind. ICU units are hard to create inside them. The Federal MASH mobile hospitals have them, but they, too, are limited.

So when 1 out of every 100 people catches Covid in a huge area that has only 10 ICU beds in it, there are going to be a lot of very sick people who won't ever get the care that could save their lives.

You could be one of those folks, as could I.
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Old 11-22-2020, 11:59 AM
 
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Vox is all speculation. For those that need that pointed out.

In El Paso they were diverting patients in anticipation of needs ... not because they were currently overwhelmed. There's a difference.
Funeral home directors in El Paso cannot keep up, there are refrigerator make shift morgue outside of each Hospital.

Something isn't adding up.
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:00 PM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 29 days ago)
 
Location: North Pacific
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Originally Posted by BeerGeek40 View Post
I had to pull these numbers for another thread, but I think this deserves to be highlighted here.

82,100 people are currently in the hospital for Covid across the country.

US population is roughly 328,000,000

That's about 3/10ths of 1 percent of the entire population.

There are 3,898 hospitals in the country and 775,251 beds, roughly 200 beds per hospital.
https://www.ahd.com/state_statistics.html

About 21 people per hospital have Covid and about 10.5% of the beds are taken with Covid patients. Meanwhile hospitals have eliminated all kinds of elective surgery - they just are not doing them - freeing up beds. In fact many hospitals right now are struggling financially and have less patients than they otherwise would have.

Conclusion: I'm saying right here that the media is lying again about how bad this pandemic is.
82,100 people are currently in the hospital for Covid across the country ... more than at any point before during the pandemic, according to data. 82,100 people; US population is roughly 328,000,000.

20 of the worst epidemics and pandemics in history

How does the COVID-19 pandemic compare to the last pandemic?


" ... we all need to do our part and stay home."

That way history won't repeat itself? 82,100 people out of 195,000 cases --- one thing is for certain, we will make history.
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:03 PM
 
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As banjonmike said the knock on effects this is having upon rural under-resourced communities (Trump voters) is dramatic.

If you get a heart attack tomorrow, go to ICU, get COVID from your ICU neighbor you're probably a goner. Unless they take appropriate measures.

But many Republicans feel they can "take a lickin' and keep on kicking"

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and all....

Yee haw!
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:21 PM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 29 days ago)
 
Location: North Pacific
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As banjonmike said the knock on effects this is having upon rural under-resourced communities (Trump voters) is dramatic.

If you get a heart attack tomorrow, go to ICU, get COVID from your ICU neighbor you're probably a goner. Unless they take appropriate measures.

But many Republicans feel they can "take a lickin' and keep on kicking"

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and all....

Yee haw!
What is the point of living if a person can't live? ...

The impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on suicide rates

Previous epidemics and suicide

"Nothing in our lifetimes can be compared with the magnitude of the COVID-19 disaster. The last comparable crisis was the pandemic of Spanish Flu in 1918–19 caused by H1N1 viruses with genes of avian origin. About 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population were infected with the Spanish Flu viruses and at least 50 million people perished around the world including about 675 000 in the USA. The Spanish Flu epidemic was associated with an increase in death by suicide. It has been proposed that a decrease in social integration and interaction during the epidemic and the fears caused by the epidemic likely increased suicide. It is important to note that social isolation and fears are common during the current COVID-19 epidemic."
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:27 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Tencent View Post
As banjonmike said the knock on effects this is having upon rural under-resourced communities (Trump voters) is dramatic.

If you get a heart attack tomorrow, go to ICU, get COVID from your ICU neighbor you're probably a goner. Unless they take appropriate measures.

But many Republicans feel they can "take a lickin' and keep on kicking"

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and all....

Yee haw!

Looking at the data I think that we're going to see places with colder climates really get smacked hard. I live in Oregon and as its gotten colder our Covid cases have skyrocketed. We're still OK hospital bed wise, but im sort of concerned about what thanksgiving is going to do to our numbers. The timing of this spike is rough.

Rural areas are absolutely in for a rough time. People in the cities oddly enough can isolate better then most folks realize. Food delivery, larger stores able to distance better, etc. The vaccine is coming, but its going to take some time. Best of luck to everyone.

Long term i worry about the next pandemic. This one was insanely contagious-that is its superpower. But what happens if we get something like this, but its more deadly? Or does long term damage. And of course I worry about mutation of this.
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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What is the point of living if a person can't live? ...

The impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on suicide rates

Previous epidemics and suicide

"Nothing in our lifetimes can be compared with the magnitude of the COVID-19 disaster. The last comparable crisis was the pandemic of Spanish Flu in 1918–19 caused by H1N1 viruses with genes of avian origin. About 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population were infected with the Spanish Flu viruses and at least 50 million people perished around the world including about 675 000 in the USA. The Spanish Flu epidemic was associated with an increase in death by suicide. It has been proposed that a decrease in social integration and interaction during the epidemic and the fears caused by the epidemic likely increased suicide. It is important to note that social isolation and fears are common during the current COVID-19 epidemic."
Six months...just wait six months to go to the massive pool party. That's all I ask. By that time the vaccines will have likely start to have come out for the general population. Waiting six months won't result in a whole lot of suicides.
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